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for the masses headline edition july 8

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1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying beast has been found and

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is now in the possession of the army if

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the game is rigged

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change the game game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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i need your help to get to the year

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to fate to 1985 with jimmy church on the

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how you doing how you doing how you

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doing today is monday december 14

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2020. let's do this

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man

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only 17 days left

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we're getting close dude getting close

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of beautiful downtown burbank

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california

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and i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world

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all across the united states hither and

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far and near this is fade to block for

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kjcr the game changer network and kgra

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the planets i am your host jimmy church

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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hope you had a great weekend i'll be

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talking about all of that in just a

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what a great week we've got lined up

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here on fade to black

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the rundown tonight micah hanks

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oh man oh man micah hanks is here we're

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going to be talking about the recent

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before that we'll be talking about that

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uh of course micah uh is a is a host

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is a researcher uh an intellectual a

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historian

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and he's also a journalist for

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the debrief and if you didn't know that

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you know that now

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that's a man of many talents and uh

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during the show tonight i'm just

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wondering what kind of socks micah hanks

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is wearing tonight hopefully their

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tomorrow night right here john burroughs

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their new book the weaponization of

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that's tomorrow night and this is what's

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and it releases on the 16th today's

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billy carson is here to announce the

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i also wrote the forward to this book

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and it just so happens you know two

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carson is here thursday night of course

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is another fader night

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and uh jimmy why does your hair look

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wet what

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it looks like it always does it's dry

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and that's where i'm at so the show goes

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on tonight tomorrow night and for the

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on twitter and you should and you can

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there for me and i will

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retweet it uh as soon as i can all right

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all the chat rooms are open spreeker

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bunker cam i think we're over

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hello to everybody at kgra

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and talk stream live and all the way

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down the list right okay tune in

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and uh it's gonna be a great week all

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all of this together and there you go

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let me get straight to the breaking news

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the first doses of a covid19 vaccine

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in less than a year

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and received their shipments today

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with the rest of the country to get

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theirs tomorrow

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in the meantime thousands of americans

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officials suspect that russian linked

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of fire eye an attack that compromised

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the investigation continues let's get

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this show cracking

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happy birthday to today ac dc's bassist

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cliff williams today

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is 71. absolutely incredible

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firehouse front man cj snare

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today is 56. now

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i'm gonna say this first off cj's a

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great singer great singer

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second firehouse great man third

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how many songs have you tapped your toes

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to when it comes to firehouse

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firehouse man that was an amazing band

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at the edge of everything too i think

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that you know it was like 1990

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a few years but man what a string of

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great band still playing today on this

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1900 german physicist

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max planck publishes his groundbreaking

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study of the effect of radiation on

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a black body substance and the quantum

289
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theory of modern physics is born

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1900 fader fact

291
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in warsaw's gruba kaska water plant

292
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there are eight clams clams

293
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live clams eight clams with

294
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sensors attached to their shells

295
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if the clams close because they don't

296
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like the taste of the water

297
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the city's water supply is automatically

298
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yep need to get them clams into la

299
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as a weedy we need them clams need them

300
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clams in los angeles

301
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that is vetted that is your fader fact

302
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tonight micah haynes is here

303
00:15:09,350 --> 00:15:06,639
micah hanks is going to tell us about

304
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the recent leaked f-18 ufo uap

305
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image we uh posted this last week it was

306
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leaked uh just recently of course

307
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uh taken worldwide by the debrief

308
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and it's an interesting photograph taken

309
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from the cockpit

310
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pilot took it with his cell phone i

311
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i i published the images on social media

312
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and i haven't gotten that kind of

313
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reaction out of an image

314
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in quite a long time hundreds and

315
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hundreds and hundreds maybe i don't know

316
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maybe i i don't know how many comments

317
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couldn't even read through them all so

318
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we're gonna be talking about that and

319
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the purported

320
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second image that is out there that

321
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hasn't been leaked

322
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just yet so all of that tonight with

323
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micah hanks tomorrow night

324
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john burroughs is here uh along with his

325
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co-author james worrow we are going to

326
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talk about

327
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their new book the weaponization of an

328
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unidentified aerial phenomenon the

329
00:16:09,590 --> 00:16:06,480
rendelshim forest uap

330
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incident 40 years later

331
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the book releases kindle on

332
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wednesday the 16th wednesday night billy

333
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carson is here he's going to be

334
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announcing also the publishing of his

335
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new book

336
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woke doesn't mean broke thursday night

337
00:16:26,710 --> 00:16:23,600
is another fader night

338
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with open lines all night long all right

339
00:16:29,590 --> 00:16:28,000
some of you are wondering how i'm

340
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getting through the show tonight how i

341
00:16:34,470 --> 00:16:31,279
am going to get through the show

342
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this week there's only one thing

343
00:16:39,269 --> 00:16:37,120
that can get me out of this lack of

344
00:16:44,230 --> 00:16:39,279
energy

345
00:16:48,230 --> 00:16:46,910
that is no joke river moon coffee river

346
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mooncoffee.com

347
00:16:52,470 --> 00:16:50,560
makers of the fade to black blend uh you

348
00:16:55,030 --> 00:16:52,480
need to get over there check it out also

349
00:16:55,910 --> 00:16:55,040
uh head over to their amazon store as

350
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well

351
00:17:00,550 --> 00:16:57,839
and when you go to the website uh the

352
00:17:03,030 --> 00:17:00,560
promo code f2b blend will get you 15

353
00:17:03,749 --> 00:17:03,040
off of your entire order today you need

354
00:17:05,429 --> 00:17:03,759
to get

355
00:17:07,350 --> 00:17:05,439
some faded black blend or the game

356
00:17:11,029 --> 00:17:07,360
changer blend which is a

357
00:17:13,429 --> 00:17:11,039
it's a it's a lighter milder

358
00:17:15,029 --> 00:17:13,439
version but yeah fade to black blend you

359
00:17:23,189 --> 00:17:15,039
got to go doc

360
00:17:32,070 --> 00:17:29,029
nothing nothing could prepare me

361
00:17:35,909 --> 00:17:32,080
or the crazy breaking

362
00:17:39,669 --> 00:17:35,919
news that flooded the world after i left

363
00:17:43,029 --> 00:17:39,679
the air last thursday night

364
00:17:46,549 --> 00:17:43,039
here i am here i am trying to

365
00:17:49,029 --> 00:17:46,559
recover from kovid covid19

366
00:17:50,310 --> 00:17:49,039
and that ain't easy i'm trying to find

367
00:17:52,789 --> 00:17:50,320
the energy

368
00:17:54,310 --> 00:17:52,799
to make sure my family is fed and taken

369
00:17:54,950 --> 00:17:54,320
care of i'm just trying to get out of

370
00:17:58,870 --> 00:17:54,960
bed

371
00:18:01,990 --> 00:17:58,880
folks when everything in our world

372
00:18:03,990 --> 00:18:02,000
right now over at cassidy church

373
00:18:06,470 --> 00:18:04,000
has been flipped upside down entire

374
00:18:09,990 --> 00:18:06,480
families got covered

375
00:18:13,430 --> 00:18:10,000
right and all i want to do is sleep

376
00:18:16,630 --> 00:18:13,440
that's all i want to do i

377
00:18:20,310 --> 00:18:16,640
i have to fight the urge

378
00:18:21,110 --> 00:18:20,320
to get up get vertical and get things

379
00:18:23,350 --> 00:18:21,120
done

380
00:18:25,590 --> 00:18:23,360
have to somebody's got to do it i mean

381
00:18:29,909 --> 00:18:25,600
what choice do i have

382
00:18:34,870 --> 00:18:33,110
you see i'm in the same boat as millions

383
00:18:38,630 --> 00:18:34,880
of other people who have come down

384
00:18:42,230 --> 00:18:38,640
with this illness and we are largely

385
00:18:44,870 --> 00:18:42,240
left on our own that's right

386
00:18:46,390 --> 00:18:44,880
i test positive for covid i i literally

387
00:18:48,470 --> 00:18:46,400
get an email from the testing company

388
00:18:51,909 --> 00:18:48,480
well there's nothing that can be done

389
00:18:53,029 --> 00:18:51,919
right uh drink lots of liquids get some

390
00:18:55,270 --> 00:18:53,039
rest

391
00:18:57,750 --> 00:18:55,280
and we'll check in with you later that's

392
00:19:02,870 --> 00:18:57,760
it no prescriptions none of this and

393
00:19:05,350 --> 00:19:02,880
that if if you have trouble breathing

394
00:19:06,630 --> 00:19:05,360
go to the hospital that literally that's

395
00:19:09,830 --> 00:19:06,640
that's that's it

396
00:19:11,510 --> 00:19:09,840
you're on your own so i've got to figure

397
00:19:12,870 --> 00:19:11,520
out a way to get things done that being

398
00:19:16,950 --> 00:19:12,880
said

399
00:19:19,430 --> 00:19:16,960
this weekend which actually started on

400
00:19:22,789 --> 00:19:20,710
i was trying to keep up with the

401
00:19:26,310 --> 00:19:22,799
headlines and

402
00:19:29,830 --> 00:19:26,320
and i'm trying to do this while i'm sick

403
00:19:33,270 --> 00:19:29,840
right and i just got other things

404
00:19:35,110 --> 00:19:33,280
on my mind and the headline started

405
00:19:36,549 --> 00:19:35,120
headlines started started with the

406
00:19:38,789 --> 00:19:36,559
supreme court of the united states

407
00:19:40,710 --> 00:19:38,799
striking down the texas trump case in

408
00:19:44,310 --> 00:19:40,720
dramatic fashion that went down on

409
00:19:46,630 --> 00:19:44,320
friday absolute insanity watching

410
00:19:48,870 --> 00:19:46,640
social media light up and all of the

411
00:19:50,789 --> 00:19:48,880
media organizations light up and twitter

412
00:19:52,950 --> 00:19:50,799
it was just crazy

413
00:19:53,909 --> 00:19:52,960
and then there was the announcement of

414
00:19:58,070 --> 00:19:53,919
the fda

415
00:20:01,110 --> 00:19:58,080
approving the covid vaccine

416
00:20:02,870 --> 00:20:01,120
on the same day how are we supposed to

417
00:20:05,350 --> 00:20:02,880
i mean our blood pressure how are we

418
00:20:08,789 --> 00:20:05,360
supposed to cope with this kind of stuff

419
00:20:10,549 --> 00:20:08,799
right we have the demonstrations going

420
00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:10,559
on in dc

421
00:20:13,590 --> 00:20:12,720
uh i i could sit here and list all of it

422
00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:13,600
but there's

423
00:20:17,190 --> 00:20:14,880
there's not enough time to list

424
00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:17,200
everything here and now but here's the

425
00:20:23,110 --> 00:20:19,280
deal

426
00:20:27,830 --> 00:20:23,120
i didn't care about any of it

427
00:20:32,149 --> 00:20:27,840
i didn't i just don't have the energy

428
00:20:36,870 --> 00:20:35,430
that's how crazy cove it is

429
00:20:38,950 --> 00:20:36,880
that's it i just don't have the energy

430
00:20:39,430 --> 00:20:38,960
i'm just watching this i'm just reading

431
00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:39,440
my

432
00:20:43,830 --> 00:20:41,200
things and people calling in the text

433
00:20:45,190 --> 00:20:43,840
and the emails i'm just like i don't

434
00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:45,200
care

435
00:20:56,549 --> 00:20:53,520
ounce of energy that i have

436
00:20:58,149 --> 00:20:56,559
must be spent on getting this show done

437
00:21:01,029 --> 00:20:58,159
this week

438
00:21:02,230 --> 00:21:01,039
right that's the prep of everything over

439
00:21:04,390 --> 00:21:02,240
the week and that's

440
00:21:06,149 --> 00:21:04,400
i i just i don't have any energy for

441
00:21:09,430 --> 00:21:06,159
anything else normally

442
00:21:12,230 --> 00:21:09,440
my energy levels are endless i can work

443
00:21:13,270 --> 00:21:12,240
20 22 23 hours a day i can rest i had no

444
00:21:17,110 --> 00:21:13,280
sleep i can go

445
00:21:20,230 --> 00:21:17,120
go go go go i can tap into my energy

446
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:20,240
uh any one of them by the way uh

447
00:21:26,710 --> 00:21:23,600
anytime right now

448
00:21:28,870 --> 00:21:26,720
those days are gone i ain't got it

449
00:21:30,310 --> 00:21:28,880
i ain't got it and i don't know when

450
00:21:32,310 --> 00:21:30,320
they're gonna return

451
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:32,320
you know and i've i've read everybody

452
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:33,600
out there man it took me two months to

453
00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:35,679
get my energy back that scares me

454
00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:37,200
took me three months to get my energy

455
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:39,760
back that scares me

456
00:21:48,710 --> 00:21:44,640
scares me but

457
00:21:51,909 --> 00:21:48,720
but in my fever induced

458
00:21:53,510 --> 00:21:51,919
coveted madness that i find my mind in

459
00:21:55,510 --> 00:21:53,520
right now

460
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:55,520
something hit me about all of these

461
00:21:57,990 --> 00:21:57,440
conspiracy theories that are floating

462
00:22:03,669 --> 00:21:58,000
around right

463
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:07,350
here we have this flood

464
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:11,280
of voter fraud theories stop the steal

465
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:14,640
whatever too many to list

466
00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:17,840
and i'm watching the post from

467
00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:20,720
everyone screaming about these

468
00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:23,360
widespread fraud

469
00:22:27,909 --> 00:22:26,480
and those same people are saying that

470
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:27,919
the vaccine

471
00:22:33,190 --> 00:22:30,159
is part of the new world order to take

472
00:22:39,590 --> 00:22:37,430
what now even for me

473
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:39,600
one of the biggest conspiracy lovers in

474
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:40,559
the world

475
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:43,600
me i can't understand where this is

476
00:22:50,230 --> 00:22:45,840
coming from

477
00:22:53,590 --> 00:22:50,240
i want to connect the dots i really do

478
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:56,549
the cognitive dissonance that is

479
00:23:02,070 --> 00:22:58,240
happening

480
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:05,110
this country has fallen in love with

481
00:23:11,990 --> 00:23:07,600
conspiracy theory right now

482
00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:12,000
and the majority of the united states

483
00:23:20,870 --> 00:23:17,679
can't handle it they can't

484
00:23:23,470 --> 00:23:20,880
there are too many too many conspiracies

485
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:23,480
and they are overlapping and

486
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:26,240
contradicting themselves

487
00:23:31,430 --> 00:23:29,280
and so these people

488
00:23:33,110 --> 00:23:31,440
that are spreading the conspiracy

489
00:23:35,190 --> 00:23:33,120
theories don't even realize

490
00:23:36,950 --> 00:23:35,200
they're not professionals they're not

491
00:23:38,470 --> 00:23:36,960
professional conspiracy theorists they

492
00:23:43,110 --> 00:23:38,480
don't realize

493
00:23:44,789 --> 00:23:43,120
that they are contradicting themselves

494
00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:44,799
because they don't know they don't know

495
00:23:50,710 --> 00:23:47,279
how to deal with the conspiracy theory

496
00:23:53,029 --> 00:23:50,720
they don't you see a good

497
00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:53,039
professional conspiracy theorist like

498
00:23:58,149 --> 00:23:54,400
myself

499
00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:58,159
knows how to deal with this stuff

500
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:01,120
and for us it's it's just a walk in the

501
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:03,200
park

502
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:07,440
it is for the vast majority

503
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:10,480
of the us this is all

504
00:24:17,510 --> 00:24:14,960
brand new that's right

505
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:17,520
they have only been exposed to to all of

506
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:18,400
this

507
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:21,919
over the last year and they have made

508
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:23,760
the grave mistake

509
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:31,029
all in on everything without taking a

510
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:32,480
look at the facts

511
00:24:39,190 --> 00:24:35,520
or even coming close to being rational

512
00:24:41,510 --> 00:24:39,200
or objective you see

513
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:41,520
it's like this i've been prepared for

514
00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:43,200
the times that we are going through

515
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:43,840
right now

516
00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:47,679
for almost 45 years since the first time

517
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:48,480
i listened to

518
00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:53,360
side one of russia's 2112

519
00:24:56,789 --> 00:24:55,600
that's right although it's hard to

520
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:56,799
believe

521
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:01,360
but 2112 was released in march of

522
00:25:15,430 --> 00:25:11,430
side one spell it out for all of us

523
00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:15,440
then and now that the man

524
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:17,679
was going to take control of the minds

525
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:20,480
of the masses

526
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:24,080
that being different a true individual

527
00:25:30,470 --> 00:25:27,679
was no longer accepted

528
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:30,480
this great country of ours the united

529
00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:32,240
states of america

530
00:25:36,149 --> 00:25:34,640
is great for one reason and one reason

531
00:25:40,950 --> 00:25:36,159
only

532
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:45,669
rush showed me that in 1976

533
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:48,960
and showed me again this weekend after i

534
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:51,200
listened to side one of 2112

535
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:56,880
at full volume in the bunker

536
00:26:03,269 --> 00:25:59,919
as a nation cannot lose sight

537
00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:07,269
2020 turned out to be the perfect storm

538
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:09,520
billions of people all around the world

539
00:26:14,310 --> 00:26:11,200
forced into their homes

540
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:14,320
scared to death of an invisible pandemic

541
00:26:18,549 --> 00:26:16,480
their eyes and ears bombarded with the

542
00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:18,559
craziest news and conspiracy theories by

543
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:19,600
the media

544
00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:22,880
and their friends and peers pummeled

545
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:24,080
into a belief system

546
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:27,200
that no one could have imagined even 12

547
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:30,400
short months ago so

548
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:33,840
even now as i struggle with covid

549
00:26:41,110 --> 00:26:37,679
and its fever-induced dementia

550
00:26:44,710 --> 00:26:41,120
i refuse to be taken down that's right

551
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:44,720
i'm not going to fall for the hundreds

552
00:26:48,470 --> 00:26:45,120
of

553
00:26:50,630 --> 00:26:48,480
crazy ass conspiracies that don't make

554
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:50,640
any sense

555
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:54,159
because i know that right now as i speak

556
00:26:59,190 --> 00:26:55,679
these words

557
00:27:02,230 --> 00:26:59,200
someone is trying to mess with my head

558
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:02,240
and i won't let them

559
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:06,559
but most don't have the luxury of having

560
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:07,279
a lack of

561
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:11,039
energy like i do that's right

562
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:14,559
most don't have cove so for those who

563
00:27:19,110 --> 00:27:16,400
have swallowed the red pill

564
00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:19,120
and have headed down into the darkness

565
00:27:25,110 --> 00:27:20,880
take my advice

566
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:25,120
go and listen to side one of 2112

567
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:28,399
be different be the rebel

568
00:27:34,470 --> 00:27:31,760
that you are fight the system

569
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:34,480
be the individual that you know you

570
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:36,240
always were

571
00:27:43,269 --> 00:27:40,000
don't fall for the us versus them

572
00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:43,279
if someone or something is telling you

573
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that go and listen to side one

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i'm your host jimmy church this is fade

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to black

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tonight very special guest micah hanks

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your host jimmy church

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tonight micah hanks is here tomorrow

719
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night john burroughs wednesday night

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billy carson thursday night fader night

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open lines all night long but tonight

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micah joins us to discuss the recent

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leaked image from an f-18 pilot

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of a ufo uap don't know what it is it

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was taken from the cockpit of a plane

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back in 2018 somewhere off the east

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coast of the united states we'll find

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out about all of that tonight

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mike of course is a writer podcaster

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history fanatic science enthusiast

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and philosophy junkie his areas of focus

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include current events cultural studies

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technology unexplained phenomena

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and everything else that interests us

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like nice socks

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and this is the thing he has appeared on

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numerous radio and television programs

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including coast to coast caravan to

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midnight with john b wells history

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channels guts and bolts

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cnn radio and of course right here on

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fade to black he's the author of several

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books including the ghost rockets

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mysticism and the molecule the search

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for sentient intelligence

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from other worlds reynolds mansion an

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invitation to the past

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and the ufo singularity he currently

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hosts the micah hanks program formerly

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known as

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the grealian report i will never change

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my commercial

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uh with micah that is forever frozen in

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history

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the middle theory podcast and the seven

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ages audio journal podcast

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and writes for the debrief.org website i

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would like to welcome back to faith

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black the one and only micah hanks micah

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good evening

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well it is good to be here sir and

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you're looking good by the way uh

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in light of current events i'm glad

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you're on the mend there buddy

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uh do i look covet-ish not really

766
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yeah ladies and gents at home i have the

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courtesy of being able to see jimmy

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church in his element right now and he

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of course can see into my bunker as well

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we always keep a direct line between the

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bunkers though don't we yeah we do we do

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do that

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and so what you're saying is then i i

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normally look covetish

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then no no i just think that you have

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one of those

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uh unique immune systems and i'm very

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thankful for that by the way because i

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know that

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again a lot of people a lot of people

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have been affected by this i think that

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we saw last

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wednesday the new all-time high

784
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as far as you know losses in a single

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day

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that didn't put it into a historical

787
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context for you

788
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i don't know what will you know uh for

789
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those out there this is the truth micah

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for those out there that haven't gotten

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it

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uh they will change their tune

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right they will change their tune

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immediately once they go through because

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uh i was very public uh about what i

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went through

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and this is this is the thing and

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everybody that got it uh i had heard

799
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these reports

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but i didn't take it seriously i went

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from 1 to 100

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in about 30 minutes that it was just

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like a

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barn storm i could not believe

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uh how quickly and and how i felt and

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when you go through that you start

807
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thinking the strange crap man

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you just go right there

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and and i was stunned i was absolutely

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stunned

811
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uh by it i don't wish it on anybody

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uh and that's the truth that's that's

813
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the bottom line it is

814
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it's just it is uh um

815
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indescribable indescribable um i'm 12

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days in

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uh wednesday will be number 14. i will

818
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get retested then

819
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and i'm hoping that it'll come back

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00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:42,720
negative

821
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but i'm i'm just running at uh 50 you

822
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know 50

823
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i'm not at 60 i'm not i'm running at 50

824
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and i'm looking forward to uh some sense

825
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of normalcy i just don't know when it's

826
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going to happen

827
00:38:00,550 --> 00:37:58,640
yeah but you and i both know this okay

828
00:38:01,030 --> 00:38:00,560
from our background in radio you don't

829
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have

830
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bad days in radio and so fortunately

831
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you sound 100 buddies but good to be

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with you

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00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:09,839
you know that that is the truth i

834
00:38:15,030 --> 00:38:12,880
remember uh so many years ago

835
00:38:16,230 --> 00:38:15,040
uh somebody had said to me in in

836
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broadcast

837
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said that theatrics is half of the sale

838
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right that's it that's it there are no

839
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bad days no matter what's going on in

840
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your life

841
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the show must go on and that's it that

842
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you are always healthy that's it that's

843
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it

844
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:34,240
theatrics is half of the sale so uh

845
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:36,240
unfortunately it didn't work for me last

846
00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:37,680
week but i tried

847
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:39,760
so hey you gave it it was a valiant

848
00:38:43,670 --> 00:38:42,079
effort but again i was thrilled tonight

849
00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:43,680
during the break there's jimmy you know

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00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:46,000
showing me guitars on the camera like he

851
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always does in fact i can see a bunch of

852
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them right now so you know he's playing

853
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:50,000
with his guitars

854
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:51,839
during the break we know he's okay at

855
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:53,920
least he's he's on the path toward okay

856
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:54,400
again

857
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:57,440
yeah yeah and and and that's the that's

858
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:00,240
the one thing i can say i know that uh

859
00:39:03,430 --> 00:39:02,560
and we'll certainly move on from this

860
00:39:05,430 --> 00:39:03,440
but that i

861
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:05,440
i know that so many people have been

862
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:06,560
affected by this

863
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:09,680
uh to the extreme measures and

864
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:12,960
it is harsh it's harsh um

865
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:16,240
uh for me and my family we didn't go

866
00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:19,839
into the really dark areas of this um

867
00:39:23,270 --> 00:39:21,839
uh and i'm very appreciative and

868
00:39:27,750 --> 00:39:23,280
thankful uh

869
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:27,760
for uh my family in that we have always

870
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:30,000
taken supplements right and and tried to

871
00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:31,599
eat right and tried to do all the right

872
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:32,320
things

873
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:34,160
just because you're supposed to take

874
00:39:38,230 --> 00:39:35,440
care of your body

875
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:38,240
right this is the last thing that you

876
00:39:40,870 --> 00:39:39,520
would expect

877
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:40,880
that you were thankful for taking

878
00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:43,839
supplements right and eating right

879
00:39:50,710 --> 00:39:47,200
oh man so that's it we're very blessed

880
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:50,720
so now micah uh i want to uh

881
00:39:54,829 --> 00:39:52,960
i actually want to start with the

882
00:39:58,390 --> 00:39:54,839
debrief

883
00:40:00,230 --> 00:39:58,400
because uh it seemed to

884
00:40:02,470 --> 00:40:00,240
uh for those of us in the community that

885
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:02,480
have been following tim mcmillan and

886
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:05,280
and and mj and and yourself well you

887
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:05,760
know

888
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:07,760
we've been following the work but the

889
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:10,640
debrief just seemed to pop up out of

890
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:13,760
nowhere um uh

891
00:40:17,030 --> 00:40:16,160
are you are you dealing with the

892
00:40:19,510 --> 00:40:17,040
attention

893
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:19,520
that that the debris has gotten over the

894
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:21,040
last couple of weeks

895
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:23,040
oh absolutely you know but the funny

896
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,960
paradox there is yeah everybody else is

897
00:40:27,190 --> 00:40:26,400
like what is all this where did this

898
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:27,200
come from

899
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:28,640
right and i'm thinking well i mean you

900
00:40:31,510 --> 00:40:30,079
know i've been dealing with this for

901
00:40:34,710 --> 00:40:31,520
more than a year now

902
00:40:36,630 --> 00:40:34,720
i mean you know because the truth is uh

903
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:36,640
you know let's back up to 2017 here for

904
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:37,520
just a moment

905
00:40:41,670 --> 00:40:40,160
um that so-called shot hurt around the

906
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:41,680
world i mean it was really that for

907
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:43,760
so many of us but guys like you and i

908
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:45,040
and again really

909
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:47,920
i think mj and tim too you know we have

910
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:50,160
followed this topic for a long time i

911
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:50,720
mean i

912
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:53,200
really got involved i mean really got

913
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:54,400
involved with ufos

914
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:57,599
more than a decade ago i think and i was

915
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:58,560
invited to

916
00:41:03,349 --> 00:41:00,960
start blogging and writing a column for

917
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:03,359
the print edition of ufo magazine now

918
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:05,280
up until that time i wasn't as involved

919
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:06,960
with ufos

920
00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:08,560
and when i had the invitation i thought

921
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:10,000
yeah you know i think i could contribute

922
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:12,240
to this topic and i remember doing an

923
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:13,920
interview after the book magic mysticism

924
00:41:17,910 --> 00:41:15,599
in the molecule came out

925
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:17,920
and it was benjamin grundy of mysterious

926
00:41:20,470 --> 00:41:19,280
universe who asked me at that time he

927
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:20,480
says you know what's your next book

928
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:21,280
going to be

929
00:41:25,430 --> 00:41:22,560
and i said you know i would like to

930
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:25,440
contribute something to ufos boy

931
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:27,280
i never knew i was stepping in it you

932
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:28,800
know when i said that so anyway fast

933
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:30,400
forward to 2017 i mean

934
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:31,839
at that point i'd been following this

935
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:33,680
for a very long time

936
00:41:36,790 --> 00:41:36,000
uh you know trying to look at everything

937
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:36,800
with

938
00:41:39,910 --> 00:41:38,800
relation to future science and future

939
00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:39,920
technologies

940
00:41:42,390 --> 00:41:40,960
you know looking at current

941
00:41:43,750 --> 00:41:42,400
technological trends and where they may

942
00:41:45,030 --> 00:41:43,760
be headed and what that could tell us

943
00:41:47,589 --> 00:41:45,040
about the operative

944
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:47,599
you know aspects of what ufos may be or

945
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:49,440
might represent

946
00:41:53,910 --> 00:41:52,400
when 2017 happened and we realized that

947
00:41:56,470 --> 00:41:53,920
the us government is

948
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:56,480
still involved in looking at this and

949
00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:58,079
for the most logical reasons one could

950
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:58,720
imagine

951
00:42:02,390 --> 00:42:00,000
because there's an apparent threat

952
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:02,400
potential yeah of course a lot of us

953
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:03,680
began to look at this and

954
00:42:06,790 --> 00:42:05,680
you know kind of you know sharpen our

955
00:42:08,870 --> 00:42:06,800
focus a little

956
00:42:10,390 --> 00:42:08,880
and so at that very moment for me

957
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:10,400
personally i thought you know okay

958
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:12,079
now is the time that we have to raise

959
00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:13,760
the bar on the discussion and how we

960
00:42:19,430 --> 00:42:16,240
frame the debate so to speak

961
00:42:21,910 --> 00:42:19,440
so uh it was probably in

962
00:42:23,910 --> 00:42:21,920
yeah i guess it was the summer of 2019

963
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:23,920
tim mcmillan again a lot of people are

964
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:26,000
equally mystified by my good buddy tim

965
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:27,119
mcmillan they say you know where did

966
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:28,240
this guy come from

967
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:30,079
just out of the blue you know out of the

968
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:31,440
out of the blue he just kind of shows up

969
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:33,440
and starts writing about ufos

970
00:42:36,950 --> 00:42:35,040
and i'll tell people i mean go back in

971
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:36,960
the podcast catalog you'll

972
00:42:40,630 --> 00:42:39,520
hear him on my show in february of 2019

973
00:42:42,829 --> 00:42:40,640
and we almost

974
00:42:45,109 --> 00:42:42,839
barely even touch on ufos we talk about

975
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:45,119
psychology missing persons in national

976
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:47,040
parks things like this

977
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:48,720
at the very end i think we just touched

978
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:50,880
on ufos very briefly but tim and i of

979
00:42:54,230 --> 00:42:51,359
course

980
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:54,240
became fast friends and stayed in touch

981
00:42:58,150 --> 00:42:56,720
about six months or so later

982
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:58,160
we started really kind of talking about

983
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:59,440
maybe wanting to do something different

984
00:43:03,109 --> 00:43:01,280
but tim was already branching out and

985
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:03,119
you know publishing in traditional

986
00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:04,960
magazines and online publications

987
00:43:09,190 --> 00:43:07,839
popular mechanics vice the war zone

988
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:09,200
me on the other hand you know i was

989
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:11,119
still kind of over in the ufo camp with

990
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:12,000
things not really

991
00:43:15,670 --> 00:43:14,160
ready to get into the mainstream per se

992
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:15,680
but still trying to think

993
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:16,880
how do we raise the bar on the

994
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:19,040
discussion similar to what tim's doing

995
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:21,119
but keep it in the sphere of the ufo

996
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:23,760
topic really you know that we have known

997
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:25,440
and that we have come to love but also

998
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:27,440
be mystified even terrified by maybe at

999
00:43:31,190 --> 00:43:28,560
times

1000
00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:31,200
and uh one evening i remember this idea

1001
00:43:36,069 --> 00:43:33,680
kind of struck like lightning

1002
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:36,079
and i usually when i'm going through a

1003
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:38,640
process of starting something new

1004
00:43:42,950 --> 00:43:40,480
you know i think about it for weeks ask

1005
00:43:44,550 --> 00:43:42,960
timbermj i'll i'll still on it sometimes

1006
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:44,560
for months but that night

1007
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:47,440
the domain was purchased tim's enter his

1008
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:49,119
wonderful evening was interrupted

1009
00:43:52,870 --> 00:43:50,880
by a phone call from yours truly i said

1010
00:43:54,230 --> 00:43:52,880
tim i've got this idea

1011
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:54,240
but it was actually kind of put on the

1012
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:56,560
back burner there uh afterward because

1013
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:58,400
there were so many other things going on

1014
00:44:01,990 --> 00:44:00,880
we revisit the idea again in the spring

1015
00:44:02,710 --> 00:44:02,000
of this year because really what

1016
00:44:04,710 --> 00:44:02,720
happened was

1017
00:44:07,030 --> 00:44:04,720
the pandemic strikes everybody stuck at

1018
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:07,040
home a lot of people have got a lot more

1019
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:08,319
time on their hands

1020
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:09,920
and i remember on my birthday tim and i

1021
00:44:12,630 --> 00:44:11,119
had been talking on the telephone he

1022
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:12,640
calls me back two days later and says

1023
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:14,319
remember that idea he says what if we

1024
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:16,400
really tried to do something with this

1025
00:44:19,589 --> 00:44:17,839
you know reach out to some potential

1026
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:19,599
investors all kinds of stuff you know so

1027
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:20,160
mj

1028
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:22,480
banayas immediately becomes involved we

1029
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:23,680
took it from there but again for people

1030
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:25,119
who are like this just came out of the

1031
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:26,480
blue where did you where did you guys

1032
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:27,760
come from with this

1033
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:29,760
it's been a long long long time in the

1034
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:31,440
works on our end of things and so really

1035
00:44:33,430 --> 00:44:32,160
we're just now

1036
00:44:35,349 --> 00:44:33,440
sort of seeing something come to

1037
00:44:37,750 --> 00:44:35,359
fruition that

1038
00:44:38,950 --> 00:44:37,760
the mutual vision of mj and tim and

1039
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:38,960
yours truly

1040
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:40,640
uh you know putting this together in a

1041
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:42,319
format where we're not just talking

1042
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:44,319
about ufos we want to touch on you know

1043
00:44:49,030 --> 00:44:46,720
disruptive science and technology

1044
00:44:51,190 --> 00:44:49,040
defense you know space especially with

1045
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:51,200
the institution of space force

1046
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:52,960
artificial intelligence is a big one for

1047
00:44:56,790 --> 00:44:55,200
me planetary defense all these issues

1048
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:56,800
they really need

1049
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:58,480
the proper focus and attention that they

1050
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:00,720
deserve but chief among those

1051
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:02,960
uap man we are entering a new era with

1052
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:04,480
that subject and so we want to try and

1053
00:45:07,910 --> 00:45:06,000
raise the bar on that just like that

1054
00:45:08,309 --> 00:45:07,920
original objective that idea that tim

1055
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:08,319
and i

1056
00:45:11,750 --> 00:45:10,319
talked about and have been talking about

1057
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:11,760
now for about a year so really

1058
00:45:14,550 --> 00:45:13,200
that's the long story short and it's a

1059
00:45:15,990 --> 00:45:14,560
much longer story than i think a lot of

1060
00:45:20,069 --> 00:45:16,000
people realize

1061
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:20,079
well do you find that each one of these

1062
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:22,480
uh subjects and you look at the debrief

1063
00:45:25,349 --> 00:45:23,520
website

1064
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:25,359
and you look at you know the navigation

1065
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:27,119
buttons across the top

1066
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:30,640
that everything is is connected anyway

1067
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:33,760
right yeah they look they really are

1068
00:45:37,190 --> 00:45:35,200
and jimmy that's a really great point

1069
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:37,200
because again i have for years talked

1070
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:38,400
with for instance artificial

1071
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:39,920
intelligence experts

1072
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:41,760
and asked them so what's the connection

1073
00:45:44,470 --> 00:45:43,440
there do you see a connection between ai

1074
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:44,480
and ufos

1075
00:45:48,230 --> 00:45:46,560
and the ai experts will often say that

1076
00:45:49,829 --> 00:45:48,240
they see no connection most of them

1077
00:45:52,950 --> 00:45:49,839
aren't even really interested in

1078
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:52,960
you know the uap subject or ufos at all

1079
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:54,800
and for me i've always seen a potential

1080
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:56,640
connection there but the main one is

1081
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:57,440
that

1082
00:46:01,910 --> 00:45:59,680
if ai comes to fruition and a actual

1083
00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:01,920
machine superintelligence

1084
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:04,160
emerges from that something that is both

1085
00:46:07,510 --> 00:46:04,960
autonomous

1086
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:07,520
but also capable of surpassing human

1087
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:08,640
intelligence

1088
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:12,000
and our innate biological capabilities

1089
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:14,640
you know humankind suddenly runs the

1090
00:46:18,630 --> 00:46:16,800
risk of being kicked off of

1091
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:18,640
you know the totem pole which we occupy

1092
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:21,200
right now similarly we could say that if

1093
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:21,599
again

1094
00:46:25,510 --> 00:46:23,760
let's say that uap does represent

1095
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:25,520
extraterrestrial technology

1096
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:27,119
and that of course there are operators

1097
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:29,040
behind that

1098
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:30,560
yet again we are looking at a situation

1099
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:32,720
where humans may be forced to have to

1100
00:46:36,710 --> 00:46:33,920
reconcile

1101
00:46:39,349 --> 00:46:36,720
with an intelligence uh in the presence

1102
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:39,359
of which we are no longer the top dog

1103
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:41,280
yet again here's another one too we'll

1104
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:43,520
go ahead but but the point that you're

1105
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:45,680
making that i think is as valid as

1106
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:49,040
it gets is no matter what an intelligent

1107
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:50,960
civilization may be

1108
00:46:54,069 --> 00:46:53,280
if they are getting here they went

1109
00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:54,079
through

1110
00:47:00,870 --> 00:46:57,760
the ai evolution right and

1111
00:47:02,630 --> 00:47:00,880
what is here visiting us is probably an

1112
00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:02,640
artificial intelligence

1113
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:05,200
it's it's their representative because

1114
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:06,960
we're going to go through the same steps

1115
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:09,520
when we reach out to the stars right

1116
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:10,319
absolutely

1117
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:11,920
i put this out on twitter a while back i

1118
00:47:16,390 --> 00:47:14,319
said you know if again we can assume

1119
00:47:18,470 --> 00:47:16,400
that the creation of artificial

1120
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:18,480
intelligence is an eventuality here on

1121
00:47:21,349 --> 00:47:19,359
earth

1122
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:21,359
and if we assume that that might occur

1123
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:23,599
before we are capable of i mean we can

1124
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:25,200
already travel into space but guys we

1125
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:25,520
are

1126
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:27,920
really really limited on how far out

1127
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:29,839
there we can go it's a real chore just

1128
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:31,440
to get to the moon

1129
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:34,480
okay let alone to the nearest actual

1130
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:35,599
planet in our

1131
00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:37,119
you know planetary neighborhood our

1132
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:39,520
solar system so again if let's say ai

1133
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:40,880
comes to fruition before

1134
00:47:45,589 --> 00:47:43,680
interstellar space travel if that's ever

1135
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:45,599
actually something we can do

1136
00:47:49,349 --> 00:47:47,599
if eventually that occurs we're likely

1137
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:49,359
to have ai first

1138
00:47:53,030 --> 00:47:50,720
and therefore it stands to reason just

1139
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:53,040
like you're saying any significantly

1140
00:47:55,270 --> 00:47:54,960
advanced civilization that's far beyond

1141
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:55,280
us

1142
00:47:58,309 --> 00:47:56,960
somewhere out there capable of traveling

1143
00:48:01,589 --> 00:47:58,319
here they will likely have

1144
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:01,599
a.i that far surpasses anything akin to

1145
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:03,280
the machine intelligence that we know

1146
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:04,960
here on earth so yes

1147
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:08,079
to me you to understand the ufo issue we

1148
00:48:11,910 --> 00:48:10,079
kind of have to look at things like

1149
00:48:14,150 --> 00:48:11,920
artificial intelligence and maybe other

1150
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:14,160
things to generate genetic engineering

1151
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:16,480
you know maybe even advanced physics

1152
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:19,359
concepts and even stuff like time travel

1153
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:21,200
should be at least entertained without

1154
00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:22,640
getting too far out there because we

1155
00:48:25,510 --> 00:48:23,920
haven't really

1156
00:48:28,150 --> 00:48:25,520
even reached any kind of consensus on

1157
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:28,160
what the ufo phenomenon represents but

1158
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:29,680
again to your point we're trying to

1159
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:31,359
frame the debate in terms of

1160
00:48:35,510 --> 00:48:33,440
things that we can study here and things

1161
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:35,520
which the ufo phenomenon may have

1162
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:38,480
more uh relationship with

1163
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:40,319
technologically speaking than most

1164
00:48:43,430 --> 00:48:42,079
you know technologists and scientists

1165
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:43,440
would give it credit for

1166
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:47,040
do you think that what we

1167
00:48:51,670 --> 00:48:49,599
are seeing out there you know millions

1168
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:51,680
of reports things that i have seen

1169
00:48:57,670 --> 00:48:55,119
uh as well uh could be

1170
00:48:58,630 --> 00:48:57,680
uh things that don't necessarily have a

1171
00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:58,640
pilot

1172
00:49:02,470 --> 00:49:01,520
you know inside of some living being but

1173
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:02,480
would just be

1174
00:49:06,790 --> 00:49:05,280
nothing more than a drone or some of the

1175
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:06,800
things that we're sending to mars

1176
00:49:10,790 --> 00:49:10,079
or or to saturn or jupiter or to the

1177
00:49:12,790 --> 00:49:10,800
moon

1178
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:12,800
that's the way we're exploring our own

1179
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:14,240
solar system

1180
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:17,040
wouldn't we then expect the same thing

1181
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:17,760
from

1182
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:20,160
an intelligent civilization exploring

1183
00:49:23,589 --> 00:49:21,920
our solar system

1184
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:23,599
certainly again if we actually look at

1185
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:25,760
some of the classic ufo cases the gorman

1186
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:26,160
dog

1187
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:29,200
fight right you know get this is from

1188
00:49:32,790 --> 00:49:31,119
right from the blue book files but if we

1189
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:32,800
actually look at the

1190
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:34,640
purported uap in that case i mean it

1191
00:49:38,390 --> 00:49:36,000
would have probably been an

1192
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:38,400
object too small to house an occupant

1193
00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:39,839
unless it's a really small occupant i

1194
00:49:42,390 --> 00:49:40,960
mean i don't know maybe they were really

1195
00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:42,400
small pilots but

1196
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:44,640
it seems to suggest right you know

1197
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:46,240
images from science fiction films come

1198
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:47,119
to mind here but

1199
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:48,880
uh maybe the men in black films remember

1200
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:50,240
the guy's face pops up and there's a

1201
00:49:55,349 --> 00:49:52,240
little tiny alien sitting there

1202
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:55,359
driving yeah but i mean it very well

1203
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:57,200
may be that there are really tiny

1204
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:59,359
drivers but i i would find it more

1205
00:50:02,549 --> 00:50:00,400
probable that we

1206
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:02,559
in many cases are dealing with

1207
00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:04,400
reconnaissance drones or some other kind

1208
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:06,000
of a technology that is controlled

1209
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:06,880
either

1210
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:10,000
autonomously itself via ai or something

1211
00:50:12,790 --> 00:50:10,559
else or

1212
00:50:13,990 --> 00:50:12,800
it is remotely controlled from elsewhere

1213
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:14,000
and doesn't have to have any kind of

1214
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:15,040
occupants

1215
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:17,280
now let's uh let's get straight to it uh

1216
00:50:21,430 --> 00:50:18,319
this image

1217
00:50:22,470 --> 00:50:21,440
uh that uh the debrief whipped out on

1218
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:22,480
the world

1219
00:50:27,750 --> 00:50:25,599
uh what okay we'll get into the image

1220
00:50:31,030 --> 00:50:27,760
specifically in just a second

1221
00:50:33,990 --> 00:50:31,040
but how did the debrief uh

1222
00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:34,000
get the image and did you guys start to

1223
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:34,640
vet

1224
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:38,240
its uh chain of custody yes uh the

1225
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:40,960
image again i've got a a couple of pages

1226
00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:42,160
of notes here and i'd like to go down

1227
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:43,359
everything because i mean i've got

1228
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:45,040
everything that i think we know about

1229
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:46,880
the image up until this point and again

1230
00:50:49,829 --> 00:50:48,640
i'll just say right here at the i mean i

1231
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:49,839
don't want to give any spoilers or

1232
00:50:53,030 --> 00:50:50,640
anything but

1233
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:53,040
i'm not convinced that the photograph is

1234
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:54,319
necessarily

1235
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:56,319
revelatory i i have a strong suspicion

1236
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:58,880
there's a very mundane explanation but

1237
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:01,280
we have to understand certain aspects of

1238
00:51:04,470 --> 00:51:02,960
of that in order to understand also why

1239
00:51:06,870 --> 00:51:04,480
we're publishing it and why it's still

1240
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:06,880
important to look at this i don't think

1241
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:08,000
that looking at this photo

1242
00:51:12,150 --> 00:51:10,880
is a mundane endeavor by any means so as

1243
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:12,160
far as the photo and how we came to

1244
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:13,680
learn of it

1245
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:15,520
tim mcmillan of course had written an

1246
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:17,440
article which we featured right around

1247
00:51:21,270 --> 00:51:18,079
the time of

1248
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:21,280
launch which dealt with these so-called

1249
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:23,599
trans-medium vehicles vehicles that are

1250
00:51:26,309 --> 00:51:25,119
capable of traveling through the air and

1251
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:26,319
maybe into water

1252
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:29,280
and back out as easily as you or i could

1253
00:51:32,390 --> 00:51:30,880
go for a swim i mean it's really hard to

1254
00:51:33,670 --> 00:51:32,400
take an aircraft a plane

1255
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:33,680
and you know send it down like a

1256
00:51:38,549 --> 00:51:35,520
submarine right

1257
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:38,559
but these aircraft uh or whatever they

1258
00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:40,160
are these objects

1259
00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:41,520
uh certainly seem to be able to do that

1260
00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:42,800
there's quite a bit in the literature

1261
00:51:46,950 --> 00:51:45,520
about these so-called usos ufos that are

1262
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:46,960
seen going into water and traveling

1263
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:47,920
through the ocean

1264
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:49,680
remaining submerged and they don't seem

1265
00:51:53,030 --> 00:51:51,599
to be you know encumbered by

1266
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:53,040
traveling through water any more than

1267
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:54,480
they are through traveling through air

1268
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:55,440
so

1269
00:51:59,750 --> 00:51:57,599
now that was kind of the main thrust of

1270
00:52:01,430 --> 00:51:59,760
of tim's primary piece and within a

1271
00:52:03,670 --> 00:52:01,440
couple of days

1272
00:52:05,349 --> 00:52:03,680
he had reached a point where he had been

1273
00:52:07,030 --> 00:52:05,359
contacted by some folks who brought a

1274
00:52:07,750 --> 00:52:07,040
photograph to his attention which he

1275
00:52:10,630 --> 00:52:07,760
happened to

1276
00:52:11,589 --> 00:52:10,640
already know existed and through some of

1277
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:11,599
the sources

1278
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:13,599
uh cited in the first article of course

1279
00:52:16,309 --> 00:52:14,880
he was able to confirm that this was

1280
00:52:19,430 --> 00:52:16,319
indeed something that a

1281
00:52:20,950 --> 00:52:19,440
intelligence report from around 2018 had

1282
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:20,960
actually looked at this had been

1283
00:52:25,109 --> 00:52:22,319
included in that

1284
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:25,119
um so at that point uh we later we came

1285
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:26,160
to find out actually that this

1286
00:52:29,829 --> 00:52:27,599
photograph apparently has been available

1287
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:29,839
online since around may i believe

1288
00:52:34,950 --> 00:52:33,200
of this year at least it was originally

1289
00:52:37,109 --> 00:52:34,960
originally posted online by a guy named

1290
00:52:38,309 --> 00:52:37,119
blake s taylor on twitter he however

1291
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:38,319
doesn't seem to remember

1292
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:39,760
where he found it he thinks it could

1293
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:41,440
have been uh on the

1294
00:52:45,190 --> 00:52:44,319
the nsa website again he's not 100 clear

1295
00:52:47,270 --> 00:52:45,200
on it so

1296
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:47,280
the photo in itself is a bit mysterious

1297
00:52:50,309 --> 00:52:48,559
but that said

1298
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:50,319
upon learning that it was so uh you know

1299
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:51,680
in the wild so to speak

1300
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:54,960
tim uh uh chose to go ahead and to

1301
00:52:58,870 --> 00:52:56,880
write about it so as to try and present

1302
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:58,880
some context for it

1303
00:53:01,910 --> 00:53:00,559
but i want to be very clear i mean i

1304
00:53:03,829 --> 00:53:01,920
remember when he said he was

1305
00:53:06,069 --> 00:53:03,839
going to publish this and uh you know

1306
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:06,079
the the again the photograph in question

1307
00:53:08,309 --> 00:53:06,720
is

1308
00:53:10,950 --> 00:53:08,319
unclassified as we understand it

1309
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:10,960
unclassified for special use only same

1310
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:13,040
as the photograph or the videos released

1311
00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:14,640
by the pentagon earlier this year but

1312
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:16,880
which appeared online back in 2017 the

1313
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:20,000
famous gimbal go fast right

1314
00:53:24,390 --> 00:53:22,960
these are unclassified but they

1315
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:24,400
represent

1316
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:26,880
phenomena okay which are of interest

1317
00:53:31,030 --> 00:53:28,000
these videos

1318
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:31,040
to the pentagon to the navy which the

1319
00:53:35,030 --> 00:53:33,920
dod earlier this year classed as

1320
00:53:37,030 --> 00:53:35,040
unidentified they don't know what they

1321
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:37,040
are we might say the same with this

1322
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:38,400
photograph but again looking at the

1323
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:40,800
photograph i remember my first

1324
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:42,640
notion was that looks like a mylar

1325
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:44,000
balloon to me

1326
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:46,480
um you really went there that's that's

1327
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:48,480
where your mind went first

1328
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:50,000
that's where my mind went first i mean

1329
00:53:53,190 --> 00:53:51,599
the first thing but again you got to

1330
00:53:54,549 --> 00:53:53,200
keep in mind how i tend to think about

1331
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:54,559
these sorts of things

1332
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:56,400
uh you look at something that's

1333
00:54:00,150 --> 00:53:58,079
potentially extraordinary and

1334
00:54:01,190 --> 00:54:00,160
and the way i tend to operate is okay

1335
00:54:03,270 --> 00:54:01,200
let's

1336
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:03,280
start ruling out what it might or might

1337
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:04,480
not be

1338
00:54:09,270 --> 00:54:07,520
what is the most likely explanation and

1339
00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:09,280
again there are some who actually tim

1340
00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:10,960
also among them you know who have raised

1341
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:13,280
some fair criticisms of the idea that

1342
00:54:16,549 --> 00:54:14,880
it's just a balloon

1343
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:16,559
um and so i want to get back around to

1344
00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:18,640
that and really what it is most likely

1345
00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:19,760
that this photograph

1346
00:54:23,990 --> 00:54:21,760
represents but some brief notes about

1347
00:54:26,870 --> 00:54:24,000
this you know there were a lot of uh

1348
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:26,880
early reports that suggested the image

1349
00:54:30,710 --> 00:54:27,920
might have been taken

1350
00:54:31,670 --> 00:54:30,720
uh sometime in 2018 now again there is a

1351
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:31,680
version

1352
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:33,599
that is available online and of course

1353
00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:34,880
which initially was

1354
00:54:38,309 --> 00:54:37,280
accompanied this article of course but

1355
00:54:39,670 --> 00:54:38,319
we ended up

1356
00:54:40,950 --> 00:54:39,680
this is funny we scaled a bunch of the

1357
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:40,960
images on the website because there was

1358
00:54:43,829 --> 00:54:42,480
so much traffic coming in

1359
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:43,839
and we were having to try and reduce

1360
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:46,160
site load time which resulted in the

1361
00:54:48,710 --> 00:54:46,559
meta

1362
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:48,720
data being scrubbed now john greenwald

1363
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:50,720
has a version of it still available on

1364
00:54:54,789 --> 00:54:53,280
online so there are versions out there

1365
00:54:56,470 --> 00:54:54,799
and of course a lot of people on twitter

1366
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:56,480
if you follow ufo twitter are talking

1367
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:57,280
about

1368
00:55:01,030 --> 00:54:59,440
the metadata now i actually am looking

1369
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:01,040
at some of that data right now and

1370
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:02,640
according to the data

1371
00:55:06,710 --> 00:55:05,440
the photo was taken on march 4th 2019 at

1372
00:55:09,990 --> 00:55:06,720
around 302

1373
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:10,000
pm 302 and 30 seconds to be exact

1374
00:55:13,109 --> 00:55:12,319
right but the earlier reports about the

1375
00:55:15,190 --> 00:55:13,119
image uh

1376
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:15,200
suggested that it had been taken in 2018

1377
00:55:19,510 --> 00:55:17,040
this was tim mcmillan's understanding

1378
00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:19,520
that the photograph was from around 2018

1379
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:21,200
uh it was subsequently reported at

1380
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:23,040
mystery wire that uh george knapp

1381
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:25,040
also believed that they had been shown a

1382
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:26,160
similar photograph

1383
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:27,920
now there seems to be some dispute as to

1384
00:55:30,549 --> 00:55:29,760
whether the photo that he saw showed the

1385
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:30,559
same object

1386
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:32,720
which is kind of mysterious to me right

1387
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:34,640
but again he had said that they had

1388
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:36,000
initially been told it was taken in

1389
00:55:40,230 --> 00:55:38,079
around 2018 as well

1390
00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:40,240
however there are some problems with

1391
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:42,480
that especially the fact that the

1392
00:55:47,430 --> 00:55:45,520
metadata says march 4th 2019.

1393
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:47,440
now again tim's understanding had been

1394
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:48,720
that it might be a photograph

1395
00:55:53,349 --> 00:55:51,680
of a photograph um i know that uh some

1396
00:55:53,990 --> 00:55:53,359
journalists have reached out to him also

1397
00:55:55,829 --> 00:55:54,000
i believe

1398
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:55,839
keith basterfield the australian ufo

1399
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:57,839
researcher had asked about that

1400
00:56:00,309 --> 00:55:59,040
there have been people who have pointed

1401
00:56:02,230 --> 00:56:00,319
out the fact however that again we've

1402
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:02,240
got a f-stop of about 1.8

1403
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:04,240
this all available in the metadata which

1404
00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:05,680
is available online

1405
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:08,079
the iso for kids at home who have played

1406
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:09,440
with old

1407
00:56:13,750 --> 00:56:11,200
analog cameras you might get an old one

1408
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:13,760
that actually had asa before it was iso

1409
00:56:17,910 --> 00:56:14,480
remember

1410
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:17,920
the iso was 20. uh the exposure was one

1411
00:56:24,549 --> 00:56:21,040
uh one six five six second exposure one

1412
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:24,559
1 656 in other words uh and

1413
00:56:29,589 --> 00:56:27,440
based on those criteria users online

1414
00:56:32,309 --> 00:56:29,599
have suggested it's very likely that

1415
00:56:33,829 --> 00:56:32,319
the photograph at the time it was taken

1416
00:56:35,109 --> 00:56:33,839
based on the iso and the f-stop and all

1417
00:56:38,390 --> 00:56:35,119
that i mean it would have been a

1418
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:38,400
bright daylight setting in terms of the

1419
00:56:41,829 --> 00:56:40,079
response from the camera so it seems

1420
00:56:43,270 --> 00:56:41,839
suggestive of the fact that the photo

1421
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:43,280
was indeed taken

1422
00:56:47,349 --> 00:56:45,440
and that the metadata supports not a

1423
00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:47,359
photo of a photo taken on a screen but

1424
00:56:52,069 --> 00:56:49,839
of a photo taken in an actual bright

1425
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:52,079
visible sunlit environment which is an

1426
00:56:56,069 --> 00:56:53,040
interesting one

1427
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:56,079
yes yes yes now uh and before we head to

1428
00:57:01,270 --> 00:56:57,359
the break

1429
00:57:02,069 --> 00:57:01,280
the reports that came from the different

1430
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:02,079
agencies

1431
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:05,440
of my understanding there are two

1432
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:08,640
those were from 2018 with this image

1433
00:57:12,789 --> 00:57:10,079
part of that report

1434
00:57:13,109 --> 00:57:12,799
am i correct in understanding that and

1435
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:13,119
how

1436
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:17,200
a good question again yes

1437
00:57:20,789 --> 00:57:18,880
our understanding was that this

1438
00:57:23,750 --> 00:57:20,799
photograph was reportedly

1439
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:23,760
associated with an intelligence report

1440
00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:25,680
uh which would have come prior to this

1441
00:57:28,710 --> 00:57:27,119
summer so again i think that the

1442
00:57:30,710 --> 00:57:28,720
suggestion like you're pointing out

1443
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:30,720
would be that this had been associated

1444
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:32,160
with an earlier report again i remember

1445
00:57:35,109 --> 00:57:34,160
keith keith masterful talking about that

1446
00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:35,119
too

1447
00:57:38,069 --> 00:57:36,559
now one thing that's a little strange

1448
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:38,079
about all that of course is that there's

1449
00:57:41,430 --> 00:57:39,359
some are saying that it was an intel

1450
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:41,440
report that dated as far back as 2018

1451
00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:43,440
associated with the uap task force which

1452
00:57:48,309 --> 00:57:45,760
was only formalized this year right

1453
00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:48,319
right uh so again but there has been

1454
00:57:52,630 --> 00:57:50,160
continuous reporting i think tim and mj

1455
00:57:54,470 --> 00:57:52,640
had done an article for vice previously

1456
00:57:56,630 --> 00:57:54,480
essentially saying that the existing

1457
00:57:58,710 --> 00:57:56,640
pentagon ufo studies

1458
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:58,720
you know the uap task force is sort of a

1459
00:58:02,710 --> 00:58:00,000
continuation of

1460
00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:02,720
a program which is continued previously

1461
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:04,160
of course iterations of it might be

1462
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:05,760
recognized as the advanced aerospace

1463
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:08,000
threat identification program

1464
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:10,559
now jimmy from my own part i'm not the

1465
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:12,480
expert on that you know but i would say

1466
00:58:16,789 --> 00:58:15,760
that it's it is a little confusing to me

1467
00:58:19,990 --> 00:58:16,799
that there have been different

1468
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:20,000
iterations different names and if indeed

1469
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:23,280
a tip as was revealed in 2017 continues

1470
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:24,720
to this day it's a little strange that

1471
00:58:28,150 --> 00:58:26,640
it's gone through different names

1472
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:28,160
you know and some sources would say that

1473
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:29,920
atip was never really the actual

1474
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:31,839
operative name of that or you know that

1475
00:58:35,589 --> 00:58:33,520
group or that study whatever you want to

1476
00:58:36,870 --> 00:58:35,599
call it in the first place so

1477
00:58:38,069 --> 00:58:36,880
there seems to be a good bit of

1478
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:38,079
confusion about the name and i think

1479
00:58:41,589 --> 00:58:39,599
there really has been since the whole

1480
00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:41,599
story broke in 2017. so that part

1481
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:43,280
doesn't surprise me but again in any

1482
00:58:46,069 --> 00:58:44,480
case

1483
00:58:47,829 --> 00:58:46,079
maybe that would at least rectify some

1484
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:47,839
of the confusion about how a

1485
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:49,520
report that might have included this

1486
00:58:52,470 --> 00:58:50,960
photograph because apparently they were

1487
00:58:54,390 --> 00:58:52,480
interested in it

1488
00:58:55,510 --> 00:58:54,400
this unclassified photo of whatever that

1489
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:55,520
thing is

1490
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:57,599
how that could date back to 2018 with

1491
00:59:01,349 --> 00:58:58,880
the formation of a uap

1492
00:59:02,870 --> 00:59:01,359
task force only occurring in 2020 i mean

1493
00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:02,880
this isn't really time travel

1494
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:06,240
apparently no there is that and then

1495
00:59:12,630 --> 00:59:09,760
was the two reports that were circulated

1496
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:12,640
uh within these two agencies uh is it

1497
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:14,079
possible that this

1498
00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:17,119
picture was taken in 2019

1499
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:20,160
and was merely inserted into an

1500
00:59:24,870 --> 00:59:23,040
ongoing investigation and it had nothing

1501
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:24,880
to do with 2018

1502
00:59:31,030 --> 00:59:28,240
just the report and the uh

1503
00:59:32,390 --> 00:59:31,040
was it continuing program there could be

1504
00:59:35,109 --> 00:59:32,400
a possibility again that would be

1505
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:35,119
beyond my scope of of you know knowledge

1506
00:59:37,910 --> 00:59:35,520
um

1507
00:59:39,030 --> 00:59:37,920
but anything's possible what we do know

1508
00:59:40,549 --> 00:59:39,040
as far as the providence of the

1509
00:59:43,670 --> 00:59:40,559
photograph though is that at least

1510
00:59:46,789 --> 00:59:43,680
as early as may 2020 of this year if not

1511
00:59:48,630 --> 00:59:46,799
earlier this photograph appeared online

1512
00:59:51,030 --> 00:59:48,640
when it was posted on twitter by blake

1513
00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:51,040
as taylor but again there is a mystery

1514
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:52,160
too because

1515
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:54,480
blake doesn't seem to remember where he

1516
00:59:56,549 --> 00:59:56,160
came across it he thought he found it at

1517
01:00:17,430 --> 00:59:56,559
a

1518
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:17,440
online

1519
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:18,720
i mean that's kind of interesting in

1520
01:00:22,309 --> 01:00:20,799
itself but wherever it comes from no

1521
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:22,319
matter how you cut it

1522
01:00:25,829 --> 01:00:24,319
he had the photo and had posted it on

1523
01:00:27,109 --> 01:00:25,839
twitter and there are screen grabs that

1524
01:00:29,030 --> 01:00:27,119
show this

1525
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:29,040
all the way back in may of this year so

1526
01:00:32,789 --> 01:00:30,960
at least that early we know that it was

1527
01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:32,799
on you know online and had been in

1528
01:00:35,829 --> 01:00:34,960
circulation and hence partially how it

1529
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:35,839
came to tim's

1530
01:00:39,990 --> 01:00:38,160
attention that this photo was already

1531
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out there let's take our break right

1532
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here our guest tonight micah hanks we're

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f-18 pilot took it with his cell phone

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hanks

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this week micah just a weird feeling

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an

1682
01:06:53,750 --> 01:06:51,440
then

1683
01:06:55,430 --> 01:06:53,760
uh you do that at a certain point in

1684
01:06:57,430 --> 01:06:55,440
time and then all of a sudden

1685
01:06:58,710 --> 01:06:57,440
both books launch at the same time and

1686
01:07:00,630 --> 01:06:58,720
i've got it

1687
01:07:02,789 --> 01:07:00,640
it feels like it's almost ego

1688
01:07:05,190 --> 01:07:02,799
self-serving

1689
01:07:06,630 --> 01:07:05,200
but it's the way the chips fell right i

1690
01:07:10,069 --> 01:07:06,640
just feel weird

1691
01:07:12,710 --> 01:07:10,079
listening to your little uh

1692
01:07:14,710 --> 01:07:12,720
your little drop for us right there uh

1693
01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:14,720
the graylien report

1694
01:07:21,029 --> 01:07:18,000
is uh it was always the coolest name

1695
01:07:23,109 --> 01:07:21,039
for for any type of show i i just love

1696
01:07:25,430 --> 01:07:23,119
i i never even knew what it meant right

1697
01:07:28,630 --> 01:07:25,440
it just for me it was just cool

1698
01:07:32,069 --> 01:07:28,640
um the changing of

1699
01:07:33,589 --> 01:07:32,079
the title of your show does it change

1700
01:07:35,349 --> 01:07:33,599
the content

1701
01:07:37,829 --> 01:07:35,359
no i don't well i don't know actually

1702
01:07:40,390 --> 01:07:37,839
maybe it does a little just because

1703
01:07:41,109 --> 01:07:40,400
uh you know i hadn't planned all that

1704
01:07:43,990 --> 01:07:41,119
out

1705
01:07:45,029 --> 01:07:44,000
i had been feeling this need to kind of

1706
01:07:48,150 --> 01:07:45,039
shift

1707
01:07:50,710 --> 01:07:48,160
and uh you know when 2017 happened

1708
01:07:51,430 --> 01:07:50,720
uh prior to that i had been really kind

1709
01:07:53,670 --> 01:07:51,440
of getting

1710
01:07:54,549 --> 01:07:53,680
more into archaeology more into the

1711
01:07:56,630 --> 01:07:54,559
sciences

1712
01:07:58,549 --> 01:07:56,640
a lot of people thought that with the

1713
01:08:00,069 --> 01:07:58,559
name change the idea was to go

1714
01:08:01,910 --> 01:08:00,079
more in this sort of mainstream

1715
01:08:03,109 --> 01:08:01,920
direction and away from the friends sort

1716
01:08:04,789 --> 01:08:03,119
of topics

1717
01:08:06,470 --> 01:08:04,799
quite the opposite anyone who's kept up

1718
01:08:08,630 --> 01:08:06,480
with my show i mean i've really become a

1719
01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:08,640
lot more ufo centric

1720
01:08:12,950 --> 01:08:10,559
and the real reason for the name change

1721
01:08:15,029 --> 01:08:12,960
was i did not want to stigmatize

1722
01:08:17,110 --> 01:08:15,039
the subject by having something that

1723
01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:17,120
sounded like alien in there

1724
01:08:20,550 --> 01:08:18,880
and there's a long history a long story

1725
01:08:23,030 --> 01:08:20,560
which i won't get into right now about

1726
01:08:25,990 --> 01:08:23,040
how the original name of the show was

1727
01:08:27,590 --> 01:08:26,000
the micah hanks program and i had a blog

1728
01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:27,600
at the time called the grayling report

1729
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:28,799
and i went with that name for the

1730
01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:31,199
podcast for various reasons at that time

1731
01:08:34,789 --> 01:08:32,880
certain contractual obligation

1732
01:08:36,229 --> 01:08:34,799
obligations and things like that so

1733
01:08:38,149 --> 01:08:36,239
it was really kind of coming back around

1734
01:08:40,149 --> 01:08:38,159
to the original name

1735
01:08:41,829 --> 01:08:40,159
the name change which many perceived as

1736
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:41,839
being this kind of about face but if

1737
01:08:44,630 --> 01:08:43,440
anything i think i've gone deeper down

1738
01:08:48,709 --> 01:08:44,640
the rabbit hole

1739
01:08:50,149 --> 01:08:48,719
since the change occurred i want to uh i

1740
01:08:51,430 --> 01:08:50,159
want to ask you this because we're

1741
01:08:54,390 --> 01:08:51,440
talking about this

1742
01:08:56,229 --> 01:08:54,400
this photograph and and the debrief and

1743
01:08:59,829 --> 01:08:56,239
and what it means for the community and

1744
01:09:04,149 --> 01:08:59,839
and its impact but if we go back

1745
01:09:06,709 --> 01:09:04,159
you and i uh probably six years ago

1746
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:06,719
had a pretty deep conversation one night

1747
01:09:11,189 --> 01:09:07,920
over dinner

1748
01:09:14,550 --> 01:09:11,199
uh about about ufos

1749
01:09:17,590 --> 01:09:14,560
and i think at that time you weren't so

1750
01:09:18,630 --> 01:09:17,600
sure and i don't want to put words in

1751
01:09:19,990 --> 01:09:18,640
your mouth but

1752
01:09:22,229 --> 01:09:20,000
you know the conversation that i'm

1753
01:09:25,510 --> 01:09:22,239
talking about where i was you and i were

1754
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:25,520
not butting heads but it was

1755
01:09:32,149 --> 01:09:28,560
more about i was surprised

1756
01:09:35,590 --> 01:09:32,159
to to hear your um

1757
01:09:39,110 --> 01:09:35,600
take on what ufos could be uh

1758
01:09:39,829 --> 01:09:39,120
in in pop culture and versus the reality

1759
01:09:43,990 --> 01:09:39,839
of it

1760
01:09:47,669 --> 01:09:44,000
has has your views started to shift

1761
01:09:50,149 --> 01:09:47,679
well you know i think i um

1762
01:09:50,950 --> 01:09:50,159
i frustrate a few people out there in

1763
01:09:53,349 --> 01:09:50,960
terms of

1764
01:09:54,229 --> 01:09:53,359
not wanting to commit to thinking that

1765
01:09:57,669 --> 01:09:54,239
ufos

1766
01:10:00,229 --> 01:09:57,679
are this or that uh it's a difficult

1767
01:10:01,110 --> 01:10:00,239
um balance to try and find where you we

1768
01:10:04,070 --> 01:10:01,120
take a subject

1769
01:10:06,149 --> 01:10:04,080
really seriously but you don't um you

1770
01:10:08,470 --> 01:10:06,159
don't step into any of those

1771
01:10:10,950 --> 01:10:08,480
potential pitfalls by committing

1772
01:10:13,669 --> 01:10:10,960
yourself to one idea

1773
01:10:15,350 --> 01:10:13,679
whereas with this subject i mean a lot

1774
01:10:16,870 --> 01:10:15,360
of people would say we're really going

1775
01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:16,880
in the direction of extraterrestrial

1776
01:10:21,030 --> 01:10:18,320
visitation

1777
01:10:23,750 --> 01:10:21,040
that is that has remained since the

1778
01:10:25,750 --> 01:10:23,760
early days of ufology if we call it that

1779
01:10:27,990 --> 01:10:25,760
even prior to rupelt actually

1780
01:10:30,630 --> 01:10:28,000
introducing the term ufos

1781
01:10:31,910 --> 01:10:30,640
that has been a potential that has been

1782
01:10:35,270 --> 01:10:31,920
a what many see

1783
01:10:37,030 --> 01:10:35,280
as a likely potential but we haven't

1784
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:37,040
conclusively determined that that is

1785
01:10:41,350 --> 01:10:39,280
what the origin of the phenomena is or

1786
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:41,360
that that is its ultimate nature

1787
01:10:46,070 --> 01:10:44,400
so again when i am keeping it at arm's

1788
01:10:48,390 --> 01:10:46,080
distance in terms of what i'm willing to

1789
01:10:50,070 --> 01:10:48,400
say the ufo phenomena might represent

1790
01:10:51,669 --> 01:10:50,080
that may seem strange to a lot of other

1791
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:51,679
people out there but i mean really there

1792
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:53,280
are many great ufo researchers over the

1793
01:10:56,310 --> 01:10:54,719
years who have attempted to do the same

1794
01:10:59,510 --> 01:10:56,320
thing they say look

1795
01:11:01,110 --> 01:10:59,520
we study the ufo we have to leave those

1796
01:11:01,910 --> 01:11:01,120
suppositions about what it might be at

1797
01:11:03,830 --> 01:11:01,920
the door

1798
01:11:05,350 --> 01:11:03,840
until we've got further evidence that's

1799
01:11:07,030 --> 01:11:05,360
the best way that we can actually frame

1800
01:11:07,750 --> 01:11:07,040
the debate which seems nebulous but

1801
01:11:09,189 --> 01:11:07,760
really it is

1802
01:11:10,950 --> 01:11:09,199
in the effort to try and be

1803
01:11:11,990 --> 01:11:10,960
scientifically responsible about having

1804
01:11:14,149 --> 01:11:12,000
the conversation

1805
01:11:15,430 --> 01:11:14,159
now to your question has my perspective

1806
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:15,440
changed any

1807
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:17,520
you might say that yeah it has and i'll

1808
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:18,719
tell you how

1809
01:11:21,590 --> 01:11:20,400
uh and maybe we can get into this a

1810
01:11:23,030 --> 01:11:21,600
little later because i know we've got

1811
01:11:25,189 --> 01:11:23,040
some more to talk about with

1812
01:11:26,470 --> 01:11:25,199
with this photograph but you know when

1813
01:11:27,669 --> 01:11:26,480
you look at the history of this

1814
01:11:29,350 --> 01:11:27,679
phenomenon

1815
01:11:31,030 --> 01:11:29,360
and this is something in fact we should

1816
01:11:32,790 --> 01:11:31,040
talk about because it really frustrates

1817
01:11:34,470 --> 01:11:32,800
me with the current dialogue people who

1818
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:34,480
are fairly new to this topic

1819
01:11:37,189 --> 01:11:36,000
jimmy and they're looking at it and

1820
01:11:38,310 --> 01:11:37,199
they're saying okay there's some stuff

1821
01:11:40,550 --> 01:11:38,320
in this footage you know that the

1822
01:11:42,790 --> 01:11:40,560
raytheon at flear was able to capture

1823
01:11:43,910 --> 01:11:42,800
our navy you know they're observing

1824
01:11:45,590 --> 01:11:43,920
these things

1825
01:11:48,790 --> 01:11:45,600
we've got some high profile incidents

1826
01:11:50,709 --> 01:11:48,800
like that nimitz thing out there in 2004

1827
01:11:52,630 --> 01:11:50,719
and so it's probably russia or china or

1828
01:11:53,590 --> 01:11:52,640
that or maybe we were testing some kind

1829
01:11:54,950 --> 01:11:53,600
of new weapon

1830
01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:54,960
you know a new kind of aircraft a new

1831
01:11:58,149 --> 01:11:56,560
kind of drone maybe it was actually some

1832
01:11:59,830 --> 01:11:58,159
sort of electronic countermeasure

1833
01:12:01,750 --> 01:11:59,840
maybe it was a hologram you know there

1834
01:12:04,870 --> 01:12:01,760
was no actual craft at all

1835
01:12:06,950 --> 01:12:04,880
and i'm thinking if indeed this

1836
01:12:07,990 --> 01:12:06,960
all just came to pass within the last

1837
01:12:10,870 --> 01:12:08,000
few years

1838
01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:10,880
it just erupted out of nowhere maybe

1839
01:12:15,030 --> 01:12:12,960
that argument would hold water but a

1840
01:12:16,390 --> 01:12:15,040
deeper look at the history takes us at

1841
01:12:18,229 --> 01:12:16,400
least back to the end of the second

1842
01:12:20,229 --> 01:12:18,239
world war and actually my own show this

1843
01:12:23,430 --> 01:12:20,239
week actually airing just tonight right

1844
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:23,440
right before this uh looked at the

1845
01:12:27,990 --> 01:12:25,840
phenomenon going back to 1943 in some

1846
01:12:29,669 --> 01:12:28,000
notable cases from that period

1847
01:12:31,430 --> 01:12:29,679
and over the weekend actually for the

1848
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:31,440
anomaly archives streamathon event i

1849
01:12:33,430 --> 01:12:32,159
gave a

1850
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:33,440
lecture that went all the way back to

1851
01:12:37,430 --> 01:12:35,040
antiquity and looked at similar

1852
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:37,440
instances of ufo-like experiences that

1853
01:12:42,310 --> 01:12:39,120
have been recorded throughout history

1854
01:12:44,790 --> 01:12:42,320
now can we say that there is continuity

1855
01:12:46,229 --> 01:12:44,800
between the modern ufo phenomenon and

1856
01:12:49,750 --> 01:12:46,239
what people were seeing back

1857
01:12:52,229 --> 01:12:49,760
you know in 186 bc you know

1858
01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:52,239
or that people were seeing in the 1700s

1859
01:12:56,229 --> 01:12:53,760
you know i can't tell you

1860
01:12:57,270 --> 01:12:56,239
but what i do know is that there's

1861
01:13:00,310 --> 01:12:57,280
there's a strong

1862
01:13:02,870 --> 01:13:00,320
case that this phenomenon is not just

1863
01:13:03,990 --> 01:13:02,880
new technology that has originated from

1864
01:13:06,470 --> 01:13:04,000
somewhere here on earth within

1865
01:13:07,830 --> 01:13:06,480
the last few years if it originates from

1866
01:13:09,110 --> 01:13:07,840
here on earth it would had to have at

1867
01:13:11,110 --> 01:13:09,120
least been here since the end of the

1868
01:13:12,709 --> 01:13:11,120
second world war but really how likely

1869
01:13:13,990 --> 01:13:12,719
is it that we had something that

1870
01:13:16,950 --> 01:13:14,000
sophisticated

1871
01:13:17,990 --> 01:13:16,960
at that time that just sprung up out of

1872
01:13:20,390 --> 01:13:18,000
nowhere and yet we

1873
01:13:21,590 --> 01:13:20,400
still haven't learned where that came

1874
01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:21,600
from or who

1875
01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:23,920
was developing it i mean it that really

1876
01:13:28,390 --> 01:13:24,960
to me almost

1877
01:13:30,550 --> 01:13:28,400
strains credulity more than asking

1878
01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:30,560
could this be from elsewhere could this

1879
01:13:35,030 --> 01:13:32,960
actually be an extraterrestrial

1880
01:13:36,229 --> 01:13:35,040
presence so again while i'm

1881
01:13:37,750 --> 01:13:36,239
non-committal

1882
01:13:39,910 --> 01:13:37,760
one thing that i certainly will say is

1883
01:13:41,910 --> 01:13:39,920
that looking at the history uh

1884
01:13:43,669 --> 01:13:41,920
to me has deepened my own understanding

1885
01:13:45,270 --> 01:13:43,679
of the phenomenon and also raises a

1886
01:13:47,110 --> 01:13:45,280
whole lot of questions

1887
01:13:48,390 --> 01:13:47,120
about the way people are framing the

1888
01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:48,400
argument right now and i think that if

1889
01:13:51,510 --> 01:13:49,840
they knew the history they wouldn't say

1890
01:13:55,830 --> 01:13:51,520
it's russia or china

1891
01:13:59,110 --> 01:13:55,840
well i am i'm a walking paradox

1892
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:59,120
myself um and right now you're

1893
01:14:03,270 --> 01:14:00,000
presenting yourself

1894
01:14:07,030 --> 01:14:03,280
as a walking paradox too as well in that

1895
01:14:10,229 --> 01:14:07,040
uh i am very quick to dismiss

1896
01:14:12,149 --> 01:14:10,239
uh photographs and and videos that get

1897
01:14:13,910 --> 01:14:12,159
sent my way and i'll look oh it's birds

1898
01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:13,920
it's balloons it's this it's at its head

1899
01:14:19,669 --> 01:14:16,080
lights and trees or what whatever it is

1900
01:14:23,110 --> 01:14:19,679
um but yet i have seen things

1901
01:14:26,470 --> 01:14:23,120
that i can't explain and when i

1902
01:14:29,669 --> 01:14:26,480
see that then i am expected to

1903
01:14:31,030 --> 01:14:29,679
uh to go all in on on everything in

1904
01:14:33,350 --> 01:14:31,040
every piece of

1905
01:14:34,950 --> 01:14:33,360
footage and video and and i'm i'm

1906
01:14:37,270 --> 01:14:34,960
reticent to do that

1907
01:14:39,910 --> 01:14:37,280
you know and it's i can't have it both

1908
01:14:40,870 --> 01:14:39,920
ways but i'm asking everybody to do just

1909
01:14:43,510 --> 01:14:40,880
that

1910
01:14:44,470 --> 01:14:43,520
i don't know what to make of those three

1911
01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:44,480
videos

1912
01:14:49,750 --> 01:14:47,360
uh that that were put out you know the

1913
01:14:52,790 --> 01:14:49,760
flea or the go fast and the tic tac

1914
01:14:53,350 --> 01:14:52,800
i i look at those and i don't see i

1915
01:14:56,790 --> 01:14:53,360
don't see

1916
01:14:59,990 --> 01:14:56,800
et in that but when i look at this

1917
01:15:02,229 --> 01:15:00,000
new photograph that was

1918
01:15:03,669 --> 01:15:02,239
uh you know sent out last week two weeks

1919
01:15:06,550 --> 01:15:03,679
ago i look at that

1920
01:15:07,510 --> 01:15:06,560
and i'm i again i'm a walking paradox i

1921
01:15:10,950 --> 01:15:07,520
look at that

1922
01:15:14,390 --> 01:15:10,960
and i'm thinking that that is not

1923
01:15:14,709 --> 01:15:14,400
of this earth you know i don't see um it

1924
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:14,719
would

1925
01:15:18,709 --> 01:15:17,280
what's really strange um and i know

1926
01:15:20,709 --> 01:15:18,719
people were expecting me to god it's

1927
01:15:23,430 --> 01:15:20,719
just a mylar balloon church

1928
01:15:24,390 --> 01:15:23,440
and and that i'm gonna jump on that i'm

1929
01:15:27,510 --> 01:15:24,400
thinking

1930
01:15:29,189 --> 01:15:27,520
about the altitude and and i'm looking

1931
01:15:30,229 --> 01:15:29,199
at the circumference of the earth in the

1932
01:15:33,430 --> 01:15:30,239
background

1933
01:15:34,390 --> 01:15:33,440
and how could it be that a mylar party

1934
01:15:37,430 --> 01:15:34,400
balloon

1935
01:15:38,709 --> 01:15:37,440
could get up to 30 40 000 feet or

1936
01:15:42,149 --> 01:15:38,719
whatever the altitude

1937
01:15:42,950 --> 01:15:42,159
is without exploding it just doesn't

1938
01:15:45,590 --> 01:15:42,960
have the lift

1939
01:15:46,070 --> 01:15:45,600
uh to get up that high so let's actually

1940
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:46,080
start

1941
01:15:49,350 --> 01:15:47,760
right there when we're talking about

1942
01:15:52,310 --> 01:15:49,360
what may be

1943
01:15:53,990 --> 01:15:52,320
in this image how could a mylar balloon

1944
01:15:56,149 --> 01:15:54,000
get up to that altitude what do you

1945
01:15:58,070 --> 01:15:56,159
think the altitude may be

1946
01:15:59,990 --> 01:15:58,080
okay yeah let's talk about that don't

1947
01:16:01,750 --> 01:16:00,000
let me forget i want to

1948
01:16:03,430 --> 01:16:01,760
actually let me back up just so that i

1949
01:16:04,470 --> 01:16:03,440
don't forget i'm going to go down my

1950
01:16:06,630 --> 01:16:04,480
notes here

1951
01:16:08,790 --> 01:16:06,640
as far as the origins of the photo again

1952
01:16:09,590 --> 01:16:08,800
we in the last segment touched on how

1953
01:16:11,510 --> 01:16:09,600
recently

1954
01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:11,520
it has been reported but the fact that

1955
01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:13,120
of course it's been online for months

1956
01:16:17,350 --> 01:16:14,159
already at least

1957
01:16:19,430 --> 01:16:17,360
and maybe i suspect longer than that um

1958
01:16:21,430 --> 01:16:19,440
now it was re uh suggested the other day

1959
01:16:24,470 --> 01:16:21,440
i believe by roger glassell

1960
01:16:26,470 --> 01:16:24,480
that the fighter pilot uh in the

1961
01:16:28,229 --> 01:16:26,480
in the aircraft you can actually see in

1962
01:16:30,070 --> 01:16:28,239
the reflection off of the cockpit

1963
01:16:34,149 --> 01:16:30,080
glass what appears to be the helmet

1964
01:16:37,270 --> 01:16:34,159
associated with squadron 32 vfa 32

1965
01:16:38,870 --> 01:16:37,280
and it's strongly implied and in fact

1966
01:16:40,790 --> 01:16:38,880
again keith basterfield who i mentioned

1967
01:16:42,390 --> 01:16:40,800
earlier he says he thinks that

1968
01:16:44,630 --> 01:16:42,400
we could probably narrow this down to

1969
01:16:46,149 --> 01:16:44,640
being the vfa 32 based out of naval air

1970
01:16:49,270 --> 01:16:46,159
station oceana

1971
01:16:49,669 --> 01:16:49,280
at a virginia beach now um i will note

1972
01:16:53,189 --> 01:16:49,679
though

1973
01:16:54,790 --> 01:16:53,199
states that it's

1974
01:16:56,709 --> 01:16:54,800
that the phone at the time the iphone 8

1975
01:16:58,149 --> 01:16:56,719
that took the photograph was on pacific

1976
01:16:59,830 --> 01:16:58,159
time

1977
01:17:01,189 --> 01:16:59,840
so there may be a contradiction there

1978
01:17:04,950 --> 01:17:01,199
who knows but

1979
01:17:06,950 --> 01:17:04,960
it seems like there might be but um

1980
01:17:08,470 --> 01:17:06,960
if we talk about the altitude and the

1981
01:17:09,910 --> 01:17:08,480
question about that

1982
01:17:11,669 --> 01:17:09,920
oh and actually to that point though i

1983
01:17:13,750 --> 01:17:11,679
should note that if the region

1984
01:17:15,189 --> 01:17:13,760
where the photograph was taken was

1985
01:17:16,870 --> 01:17:15,199
pacific

1986
01:17:18,870 --> 01:17:16,880
some have suggested that the pilot might

1987
01:17:20,950 --> 01:17:18,880
instead have been with vfa2 the bounty

1988
01:17:22,390 --> 01:17:20,960
hunters the uss carl vinson

1989
01:17:23,590 --> 01:17:22,400
so that's another suggestion again that

1990
01:17:24,470 --> 01:17:23,600
might account for the time zone

1991
01:17:26,229 --> 01:17:24,480
difference but anyway

1992
01:17:27,750 --> 01:17:26,239
coming back to the whole thing about the

1993
01:17:28,709 --> 01:17:27,760
curvature of the earth like like you

1994
01:17:30,390 --> 01:17:28,719
mentioned

1995
01:17:32,229 --> 01:17:30,400
for the curvature of the earth to be

1996
01:17:34,630 --> 01:17:32,239
visible we would have to have been at

1997
01:17:36,709 --> 01:17:34,640
around 35 000 feet

1998
01:17:38,470 --> 01:17:36,719
okay now the minimum altitude where the

1999
01:17:40,070 --> 01:17:38,480
curvature of the horizon becomes visible

2000
01:17:41,750 --> 01:17:40,080
is about that point and based on that

2001
01:17:43,990 --> 01:17:41,760
the photo seems to suggest that

2002
01:17:46,149 --> 01:17:44,000
again if you look from the position in

2003
01:17:48,310 --> 01:17:46,159
the cockpit you can see that curvature

2004
01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:48,320
it would appear that the jet was higher

2005
01:17:51,830 --> 01:17:50,800
than that 35 000 foot altitude at that

2006
01:17:53,510 --> 01:17:51,840
time

2007
01:17:54,950 --> 01:17:53,520
some have speculated tim mcmillan

2008
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:54,960
included we've talked a lot about this

2009
01:17:57,590 --> 01:17:56,400
of course in the back channel chat for

2010
01:17:59,910 --> 01:17:57,600
the debrief

2011
01:18:01,270 --> 01:17:59,920
but he has speculated that it might have

2012
01:18:04,149 --> 01:18:01,280
been as as high as 40

2013
01:18:05,189 --> 01:18:04,159
000 or 45 000 feet but you got to keep

2014
01:18:08,390 --> 01:18:05,199
in mind that the

2015
01:18:10,870 --> 01:18:08,400
ceiling for one of these aircraft

2016
01:18:13,270 --> 01:18:10,880
i get a boeing f a 18 super hornet can

2017
01:18:15,669 --> 01:18:13,280
only go to about 50 000 feet so it's got

2018
01:18:16,550 --> 01:18:15,679
to be somewhere between that and that 35

2019
01:18:18,229 --> 01:18:16,560
000 feet

2020
01:18:19,910 --> 01:18:18,239
for the curvature of the earth to be

2021
01:18:21,750 --> 01:18:19,920
visible right so

2022
01:18:23,350 --> 01:18:21,760
is it a balloon okay how high can a

2023
01:18:24,870 --> 01:18:23,360
balloon get physics of course tells us a

2024
01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:24,880
balloon will stop rising once its

2025
01:18:29,350 --> 01:18:26,640
density begins to match

2026
01:18:29,830 --> 01:18:29,360
the surrounding air and weather balloons

2027
01:18:32,310 --> 01:18:29,840
of course

2028
01:18:32,870 --> 01:18:32,320
use this kind of you know the physics

2029
01:18:35,270 --> 01:18:32,880
behind

2030
01:18:36,630 --> 01:18:35,280
balloons and lift to their advantage and

2031
01:18:38,390 --> 01:18:36,640
are able to go to higher

2032
01:18:39,669 --> 01:18:38,400
altitudes scientific blooms can go to

2033
01:18:40,470 --> 01:18:39,679
incredibly high altitudes hundred

2034
01:18:42,550 --> 01:18:40,480
thousand feet

2035
01:18:44,470 --> 01:18:42,560
hundred thousand way up there yes but a

2036
01:18:46,310 --> 01:18:44,480
conventional a conventional balloon or a

2037
01:18:48,229 --> 01:18:46,320
mylar balloon not so much

2038
01:18:49,750 --> 01:18:48,239
um a helium balloon generally isn't

2039
01:18:52,070 --> 01:18:49,760
going to go much higher than about and

2040
01:18:53,790 --> 01:18:52,080
again this according to uh weather data

2041
01:18:56,790 --> 01:18:53,800
i found online twenty 29

2042
01:18:58,709 --> 01:18:56,800
537 feet so that's a little shy of the

2043
01:19:00,070 --> 01:18:58,719
35 000 feet we would need to be

2044
01:19:03,110 --> 01:19:00,080
at to be able to see the curvature of

2045
01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:03,120
the earth but also isn't that

2046
01:19:10,390 --> 01:19:06,960
uh to be clear that's a big ass balloon

2047
01:19:12,390 --> 01:19:10,400
that's not a small mylar party balloon

2048
01:19:15,110 --> 01:19:12,400
with a limited amount of

2049
01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:15,120
of gas inside of it you know to get to

2050
01:19:19,510 --> 01:19:17,040
30 we're talking about something that's

2051
01:19:20,790 --> 01:19:19,520
got a huge amount of helium inside of it

2052
01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:20,800
and would look

2053
01:19:26,229 --> 01:19:24,000
like that type of balloon this does not

2054
01:19:27,430 --> 01:19:26,239
yeah there was a uh an estimate that a

2055
01:19:30,790 --> 01:19:27,440
researcher did

2056
01:19:32,790 --> 01:19:30,800
that uh guessed that at the rough

2057
01:19:34,229 --> 01:19:32,800
approximate distance the object appears

2058
01:19:35,030 --> 01:19:34,239
to be in relation to the jet that this

2059
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:35,040
thing would have been

2060
01:19:38,310 --> 01:19:37,360
seven feet wide instead of like a you

2061
01:19:42,070 --> 01:19:38,320
know 12-inch

2062
01:19:44,390 --> 01:19:42,080
party balloon now again i don't know

2063
01:19:46,870 --> 01:19:44,400
with the very limited frame of reference

2064
01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:46,880
uh in terms of again only the sky behind

2065
01:19:49,830 --> 01:19:47,760
the thing

2066
01:19:51,830 --> 01:19:49,840
how accurate those kinds of estimates

2067
01:19:53,189 --> 01:19:51,840
would be what i do know however is that

2068
01:19:54,630 --> 01:19:53,199
a mylar balloon

2069
01:19:55,910 --> 01:19:54,640
generally speaking isn't even going to

2070
01:19:57,430 --> 01:19:55,920
be able to get up to the altitude that a

2071
01:19:58,870 --> 01:19:57,440
standard helium balloon can get i think

2072
01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:58,880
according to the us fish and wildlife

2073
01:20:01,590 --> 01:20:00,239
service data i found

2074
01:20:03,350 --> 01:20:01,600
because they worry about the mylar

2075
01:20:04,070 --> 01:20:03,360
balloons you know getting out there and

2076
01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:04,080
everything and

2077
01:20:07,669 --> 01:20:05,760
causing problems in national parks and

2078
01:20:10,310 --> 01:20:07,679
what what have you um

2079
01:20:11,990 --> 01:20:10,320
they say that these things generally

2080
01:20:13,990 --> 01:20:12,000
they have encountered them in aircraft

2081
01:20:16,229 --> 01:20:14,000
at twenty six thousand feet

2082
01:20:17,910 --> 01:20:16,239
but that that is still of course we have

2083
01:20:20,629 --> 01:20:17,920
to keep in mind what 3 000

2084
01:20:22,070 --> 01:20:20,639
or so feet less than a helium balloon

2085
01:20:23,270 --> 01:20:22,080
the only kind of balloon i could imagine

2086
01:20:23,750 --> 01:20:23,280
that would really be able to get up to

2087
01:20:25,510 --> 01:20:23,760
that feet

2088
01:20:27,430 --> 01:20:25,520
uh to that altitude and could go higher

2089
01:20:29,030 --> 01:20:27,440
would be some kind of scientific balloon

2090
01:20:30,149 --> 01:20:29,040
now in the original article

2091
01:20:31,990 --> 01:20:30,159
jimmy this is something that kind of

2092
01:20:33,590 --> 01:20:32,000
frustrated me i didn't write it it was

2093
01:20:35,590 --> 01:20:33,600
tim's article but

2094
01:20:36,870 --> 01:20:35,600
uh you know for our publication again it

2095
01:20:38,870 --> 01:20:36,880
was evident a lot of people who were

2096
01:20:40,390 --> 01:20:38,880
commenting on it online had not actually

2097
01:20:42,550 --> 01:20:40,400
read the article

2098
01:20:44,629 --> 01:20:42,560
because in the article we actually quote

2099
01:20:46,629 --> 01:20:44,639
an atmospheric scientist terry hawk

2100
01:20:47,910 --> 01:20:46,639
he's the in-situ sensing facility

2101
01:20:49,669 --> 01:20:47,920
manager at the national center for

2102
01:20:52,070 --> 01:20:49,679
atmospheric research's earth

2103
01:20:53,350 --> 01:20:52,080
observing laboratory not only did he say

2104
01:20:54,709 --> 01:20:53,360
he thought it looked like a mylar

2105
01:20:56,550 --> 01:20:54,719
weather balloon but he said it didn't

2106
01:20:59,189 --> 01:20:56,560
appear to be a drop scone associated

2107
01:21:02,229 --> 01:20:59,199
with an atmospheric experimental balloon

2108
01:21:04,790 --> 01:21:02,239
which was interesting to us now um

2109
01:21:06,310 --> 01:21:04,800
again to me i wouldn't say we should

2110
01:21:07,830 --> 01:21:06,320
necessarily rule out

2111
01:21:09,669 --> 01:21:07,840
the mylar balloon and i also have to

2112
01:21:11,350 --> 01:21:09,679
point out the fact that again

2113
01:21:13,750 --> 01:21:11,360
several people online have pointed this

2114
01:21:15,110 --> 01:21:13,760
out chris griezel had been one of them

2115
01:21:16,790 --> 01:21:15,120
who has been on twitter and talked about

2116
01:21:18,310 --> 01:21:16,800
this and also communicated with us but a

2117
01:21:19,510 --> 01:21:18,320
lot of people have pointed out this

2118
01:21:21,669 --> 01:21:19,520
particular

2119
01:21:23,669 --> 01:21:21,679
party balloon that features the dc

2120
01:21:25,510 --> 01:21:23,679
comics character batman

2121
01:21:26,950 --> 01:21:25,520
it it strongly resembles what's in the

2122
01:21:29,110 --> 01:21:26,960
photograph and again to my

2123
01:21:30,229 --> 01:21:29,120
if i had to guess jimmy if i look at the

2124
01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:30,239
photograph and say

2125
01:21:34,950 --> 01:21:33,120
what does it most closely resemble i

2126
01:21:35,590 --> 01:21:34,960
mean that's clearly what it most closely

2127
01:21:38,149 --> 01:21:35,600
resembles

2128
01:21:39,350 --> 01:21:38,159
to my eye in fact it's almost a dead

2129
01:21:42,070 --> 01:21:39,360
ringer you can just about

2130
01:21:43,510 --> 01:21:42,080
see the shapes of batman's fists his

2131
01:21:45,270 --> 01:21:43,520
face and everything in the actual

2132
01:21:47,110 --> 01:21:45,280
photograph

2133
01:21:48,870 --> 01:21:47,120
but the problem of course there is

2134
01:21:50,790 --> 01:21:48,880
accounting for the altitude if

2135
01:21:52,229 --> 01:21:50,800
the estimates based on the curvature of

2136
01:21:54,070 --> 01:21:52,239
the earth as represented in the

2137
01:21:55,830 --> 01:21:54,080
photograph are accurate

2138
01:21:57,189 --> 01:21:55,840
it's maybe not impossible but it

2139
01:21:58,629 --> 01:21:57,199
certainly makes it more difficult to

2140
01:22:00,310 --> 01:21:58,639
account for the mylar balloon being at

2141
01:22:01,350 --> 01:22:00,320
that altitude because it's about maybe

2142
01:22:03,750 --> 01:22:01,360
as much as

2143
01:22:05,350 --> 01:22:03,760
10 000 feet higher than it should be so

2144
01:22:07,990 --> 01:22:05,360
that's a question people have raised

2145
01:22:09,510 --> 01:22:08,000
yes and and i i saw all of those

2146
01:22:11,590 --> 01:22:09,520
comparisons and sure

2147
01:22:12,870 --> 01:22:11,600
if you're if you look at it anything can

2148
01:22:15,910 --> 01:22:12,880
resemble anything

2149
01:22:16,629 --> 01:22:15,920
it it it does resemble that what it

2150
01:22:20,550 --> 01:22:16,639
doesn't

2151
01:22:24,629 --> 01:22:20,560
uh look like is a 43 centimeter

2152
01:22:27,910 --> 01:22:24,639
batman mylar balloon 43

2153
01:22:31,510 --> 01:22:27,920
centimeters that's this big

2154
01:22:34,229 --> 01:22:31,520
right 43 centimeters and that would be

2155
01:22:35,350 --> 01:22:34,239
uh that would not even be visible by an

2156
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:35,360
f18

2157
01:22:39,270 --> 01:22:38,480
it would just be a dot off in in the

2158
01:22:42,470 --> 01:22:39,280
distance

2159
01:22:44,790 --> 01:22:42,480
we don't know we don't know we can't

2160
01:22:46,790 --> 01:22:44,800
triangulate anything here

2161
01:22:48,950 --> 01:22:46,800
the key so we don't know the actual

2162
01:22:51,270 --> 01:22:48,960
distance we don't know the actual size

2163
01:22:51,990 --> 01:22:51,280
that we don't know the key to all of

2164
01:22:55,030 --> 01:22:52,000
this is the

2165
01:22:57,270 --> 01:22:55,040
pilot is there any chance of

2166
01:22:59,350 --> 01:22:57,280
of this pilot coming forward he could he

2167
01:23:02,790 --> 01:22:59,360
could answer all of the questions for us

2168
01:23:04,229 --> 01:23:02,800
distance size was it moving was it

2169
01:23:07,590 --> 01:23:04,239
stationary

2170
01:23:08,229 --> 01:23:07,600
um uh the pilot's testimony is probably

2171
01:23:12,709 --> 01:23:08,239
the most

2172
01:23:14,310 --> 01:23:12,719
unfortunately

2173
01:23:16,229 --> 01:23:14,320
that information is not currently

2174
01:23:18,070 --> 01:23:16,239
publicly available um i

2175
01:23:19,350 --> 01:23:18,080
would guess that some of tim mcmillan's

2176
01:23:21,030 --> 01:23:19,360
sources

2177
01:23:22,390 --> 01:23:21,040
have presumably spoken with that pilot

2178
01:23:23,189 --> 01:23:22,400
because they were under the impression

2179
01:23:24,550 --> 01:23:23,199
based on

2180
01:23:26,550 --> 01:23:24,560
additional information about the

2181
01:23:28,310 --> 01:23:26,560
photograph that the object had been

2182
01:23:29,990 --> 01:23:28,320
hovering in midair and this is again in

2183
01:23:31,669 --> 01:23:30,000
the article in the main article

2184
01:23:33,270 --> 01:23:31,679
that was published at the time that the

2185
01:23:35,189 --> 01:23:33,280
photograph was released

2186
01:23:37,270 --> 01:23:35,199
uh they had said that it seemed to be

2187
01:23:38,070 --> 01:23:37,280
suspended and it didn't seem to be

2188
01:23:39,669 --> 01:23:38,080
affected by

2189
01:23:41,270 --> 01:23:39,679
air currents so as they were moving

2190
01:23:42,950 --> 01:23:41,280
around it they said that the air didn't

2191
01:23:44,790 --> 01:23:42,960
seem to be carrying this thing along and

2192
01:23:46,870 --> 01:23:44,800
it drifting like a balloon would be

2193
01:23:49,510 --> 01:23:46,880
expected to do this thing was just

2194
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:49,520
kind of hovering and that this thing was

2195
01:23:52,790 --> 01:23:51,360
visible for several minutes

2196
01:23:54,149 --> 01:23:52,800
but again like you say we need

2197
01:23:55,590 --> 01:23:54,159
additional information and this really

2198
01:23:57,510 --> 01:23:55,600
raises a point that

2199
01:24:00,149 --> 01:23:57,520
i've actually people treat this as

2200
01:24:03,350 --> 01:24:00,159
though it's a new issue in ufo

2201
01:24:04,950 --> 01:24:03,360
research that we can't get some

2202
01:24:06,470 --> 01:24:04,960
key witnesses that otherwise might

2203
01:24:07,669 --> 01:24:06,480
provide data that would easily explain

2204
01:24:09,030 --> 01:24:07,679
this or very least make it more

2205
01:24:09,510 --> 01:24:09,040
interesting depending on what they tell

2206
01:24:10,870 --> 01:24:09,520
us

2207
01:24:12,149 --> 01:24:10,880
uh we can't get them to come on the

2208
01:24:13,830 --> 01:24:12,159
record i remember talking to robert

2209
01:24:15,430 --> 01:24:13,840
hastings you know the author of ufos and

2210
01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:15,440
nukes years ago

2211
01:24:19,110 --> 01:24:17,360
at the time he had been he had

2212
01:24:20,790 --> 01:24:19,120
interviewed i think more than a hundred

2213
01:24:23,110 --> 01:24:20,800
different individuals

2214
01:24:26,070 --> 01:24:23,120
about these ufo incidents that occur in

2215
01:24:27,910 --> 01:24:26,080
relation to nuclear weapons facilities

2216
01:24:29,750 --> 01:24:27,920
and yet he had said that right around

2217
01:24:31,350 --> 01:24:29,760
the time that his book came out and he

2218
01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:31,360
had held an event at the national

2219
01:24:34,790 --> 01:24:33,360
press club in washington back when you

2220
01:24:36,149 --> 01:24:34,800
could hold events at the national press

2221
01:24:36,950 --> 01:24:36,159
club in washington right now that would

2222
01:24:39,990 --> 01:24:36,960
seem like such an

2223
01:24:41,350 --> 01:24:40,000
alien idea in the era of covid but

2224
01:24:43,350 --> 01:24:41,360
he said again that there was a high

2225
01:24:45,030 --> 01:24:43,360
profile incident that occurred at fe

2226
01:24:47,830 --> 01:24:45,040
warren base i believe out there

2227
01:24:48,550 --> 01:24:47,840
in montana i believe and uh yes yes this

2228
01:24:51,270 --> 01:24:48,560
is a famous

2229
01:24:51,590 --> 01:24:51,280
incident initially it hadn't been you

2230
01:24:53,910 --> 01:24:51,600
know

2231
01:24:55,750 --> 01:24:53,920
connected with ufos in any way it was

2232
01:24:59,030 --> 01:24:55,760
reported in the atlantic

2233
01:25:01,110 --> 01:24:59,040
but what uh hastings came to find was he

2234
01:25:02,550 --> 01:25:01,120
spoke with people who because they were

2235
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:02,560
employed there at the facility and they

2236
01:25:06,390 --> 01:25:04,960
wanted to be able to keep their jobs

2237
01:25:07,590 --> 01:25:06,400
they said we can't go on the record and

2238
01:25:08,709 --> 01:25:07,600
use our names we have to speak on

2239
01:25:10,950 --> 01:25:08,719
background but

2240
01:25:13,030 --> 01:25:10,960
yeah there was an object in the sky and

2241
01:25:14,310 --> 01:25:13,040
you know our superior officers told us

2242
01:25:16,070 --> 01:25:14,320
don't talk about this

2243
01:25:19,430 --> 01:25:16,080
i remember him telling me that jimmy in

2244
01:25:21,270 --> 01:25:19,440
like 2011 or 2012 maybe

2245
01:25:23,430 --> 01:25:21,280
and so again it's it's very similar

2246
01:25:24,870 --> 01:25:23,440
there seems to be this aspect especially

2247
01:25:26,470 --> 01:25:24,880
when government is involved in these

2248
01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:26,480
incidents where

2249
01:25:30,149 --> 01:25:28,480
you know military service men and women

2250
01:25:31,590 --> 01:25:30,159
sometimes do not feel comfortable going

2251
01:25:33,270 --> 01:25:31,600
on record and talking where they can't

2252
01:25:34,550 --> 01:25:33,280
for reasons of national security even if

2253
01:25:36,470 --> 01:25:34,560
they can talk about

2254
01:25:38,149 --> 01:25:36,480
you know what they were involved with

2255
01:25:39,750 --> 01:25:38,159
they don't want their name associated

2256
01:25:39,990 --> 01:25:39,760
with it for various reasons so i mean i

2257
01:25:42,229 --> 01:25:40,000
get

2258
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:42,239
it that is a problem as journalists you

2259
01:25:44,550 --> 01:25:43,440
always want to be able to quote your

2260
01:25:48,310 --> 01:25:44,560
sources

2261
01:25:49,350 --> 01:25:48,320
speak on background like that but again

2262
01:25:51,750 --> 01:25:49,360
based on tim's

2263
01:25:52,629 --> 01:25:51,760
sources they seem to indicate that they

2264
01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:52,639
thought that the

2265
01:25:55,590 --> 01:25:54,239
circumstances under which the photograph

2266
01:25:57,350 --> 01:25:55,600
had been taken were much more

2267
01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:57,360
interesting than what would be perceived

2268
01:26:00,149 --> 01:25:58,639
as just being a balloon

2269
01:26:01,669 --> 01:26:00,159
but now let's come over to the idea that

2270
01:26:03,030 --> 01:26:01,679
it is a balloon for a minute

2271
01:26:05,030 --> 01:26:03,040
because this is something i think a lot

2272
01:26:06,229 --> 01:26:05,040
of people have missed

2273
01:26:07,990 --> 01:26:06,239
one person who didn't miss it was

2274
01:26:08,310 --> 01:26:08,000
alejandra rojas my brother over there at

2275
01:26:10,070 --> 01:26:08,320
uh

2276
01:26:11,430 --> 01:26:10,080
open minds you know alejandro had been

2277
01:26:13,110 --> 01:26:11,440
saying and he laid it out there and this

2278
01:26:15,430 --> 01:26:13,120
is precisely what i was thinking

2279
01:26:17,990 --> 01:26:15,440
at the time of publication too you know

2280
01:26:20,629 --> 01:26:18,000
if it is just a balloon

2281
01:26:22,709 --> 01:26:20,639
let's say it is that raises some really

2282
01:26:24,310 --> 01:26:22,719
important questions about what the uap

2283
01:26:26,550 --> 01:26:24,320
task force is looking at

2284
01:26:28,870 --> 01:26:26,560
you know whether there is enough in

2285
01:26:29,590 --> 01:26:28,880
terms of the resources at their disposal

2286
01:26:31,270 --> 01:26:29,600
to really

2287
01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:31,280
carry out a and again this with full

2288
01:26:34,950 --> 01:26:33,120
respect for them i hope

2289
01:26:36,870 --> 01:26:34,960
again that the national defense

2290
01:26:38,229 --> 01:26:36,880
authorization act goes through and they

2291
01:26:39,830 --> 01:26:38,239
aren't encumbered

2292
01:26:41,430 --> 01:26:39,840
that there isn't anything that prevents

2293
01:26:43,430 --> 01:26:41,440
the uap task force from

2294
01:26:44,790 --> 01:26:43,440
continuing and producing this report

2295
01:26:45,750 --> 01:26:44,800
that the senate intelligence committee

2296
01:26:47,189 --> 01:26:45,760
has requested

2297
01:26:48,550 --> 01:26:47,199
i want to see all that come to fruition

2298
01:26:50,229 --> 01:26:48,560
and i support you know government

2299
01:26:51,590 --> 01:26:50,239
efforts to try and understand what this

2300
01:26:53,750 --> 01:26:51,600
phenomenon may entail

2301
01:26:55,430 --> 01:26:53,760
what worries me is that there may not be

2302
01:26:56,870 --> 01:26:55,440
enough resources on hand to be able to

2303
01:26:58,470 --> 01:26:56,880
do that and so if they were looking at a

2304
01:27:00,870 --> 01:26:58,480
photograph of something that does just

2305
01:27:02,790 --> 01:27:00,880
turn out to be a balloon

2306
01:27:04,070 --> 01:27:02,800
in my opinion it could be helpful in

2307
01:27:06,950 --> 01:27:04,080
terms of illustrating a

2308
01:27:07,910 --> 01:27:06,960
problem that government faces in trying

2309
01:27:09,830 --> 01:27:07,920
to look at this

2310
01:27:11,350 --> 01:27:09,840
and again if that weren't the case let

2311
01:27:13,669 --> 01:27:11,360
me give you a couple more examples

2312
01:27:15,590 --> 01:27:13,679
why would lou elizondo have resigned

2313
01:27:17,510 --> 01:27:15,600
okay from his position at the dod

2314
01:27:19,030 --> 01:27:17,520
in protest saying that the government

2315
01:27:20,070 --> 01:27:19,040
isn't putting enough of its resources

2316
01:27:22,470 --> 01:27:20,080
toward this issue

2317
01:27:24,070 --> 01:27:22,480
despite the threat potential look at on

2318
01:27:25,750 --> 01:27:24,080
the joe rogan podcast the other day when

2319
01:27:28,149 --> 01:27:25,760
jacques valet and james fox are on there

2320
01:27:30,149 --> 01:27:28,159
and james fox is reading the letter

2321
01:27:31,669 --> 01:27:30,159
uh from chris mellon saying we need more

2322
01:27:31,990 --> 01:27:31,679
than two guys up there at the pentagon

2323
01:27:33,910 --> 01:27:32,000
looking

2324
01:27:35,990 --> 01:27:33,920
at this issue guys this may be the most

2325
01:27:36,950 --> 01:27:36,000
significant issue that humankind faces

2326
01:27:39,189 --> 01:27:36,960
today

2327
01:27:41,430 --> 01:27:39,199
we really need to put our best efforts

2328
01:27:43,590 --> 01:27:41,440
and all the resources we have behind it

2329
01:27:46,070 --> 01:27:43,600
so in terms of looking at it and it

2330
01:27:47,270 --> 01:27:46,080
possibly being a balloon photograph

2331
01:27:48,629 --> 01:27:47,280
really that's in the furtherance of

2332
01:27:49,990 --> 01:27:48,639
asking those questions what does the

2333
01:27:51,350 --> 01:27:50,000
government know what are they looking at

2334
01:27:53,750 --> 01:27:51,360
why are they looking at it

2335
01:27:55,750 --> 01:27:53,760
and are they as equipped as they need to

2336
01:27:57,590 --> 01:27:55,760
be in order to really discern

2337
01:27:59,110 --> 01:27:57,600
what this problem may entail those are

2338
01:28:01,510 --> 01:27:59,120
all very relevant

2339
01:28:03,510 --> 01:28:01,520
questions i think must be asked yes and

2340
01:28:07,990 --> 01:28:03,520
and i'll take it a step further then

2341
01:28:11,990 --> 01:28:08,000
if we go into that zone which is

2342
01:28:14,310 --> 01:28:12,000
don't we have the brain power

2343
01:28:16,149 --> 01:28:14,320
inside of the pentagon in the military

2344
01:28:18,950 --> 01:28:16,159
industrial complex

2345
01:28:20,229 --> 01:28:18,960
to have the discernment between what is

2346
01:28:23,350 --> 01:28:20,239
a balloon

2347
01:28:26,390 --> 01:28:23,360
and what is something else

2348
01:28:26,950 --> 01:28:26,400
i don't know i i i don't i it was chris

2349
01:28:30,310 --> 01:28:26,960
mellon

2350
01:28:31,350 --> 01:28:30,320
as we know that went uh live uh with

2351
01:28:34,070 --> 01:28:31,360
ttsa

2352
01:28:34,950 --> 01:28:34,080
and showed a mylar balloon and literally

2353
01:28:36,950 --> 01:28:34,960
said

2354
01:28:38,870 --> 01:28:36,960
uh what is this technology it's

2355
01:28:41,990 --> 01:28:38,880
certainly not ours

2356
01:28:44,149 --> 01:28:42,000
right and and and and i looked at this

2357
01:28:45,110 --> 01:28:44,159
report i read the two i read the two

2358
01:28:48,629 --> 01:28:45,120
reports

2359
01:28:52,310 --> 01:28:48,639
and i believe unless i read it wrong

2360
01:28:55,510 --> 01:28:52,320
they definitely moved away from

2361
01:28:57,189 --> 01:28:55,520
the balloon theory in those reports

2362
01:28:58,709 --> 01:28:57,199
right they actually considered that

2363
01:29:01,430 --> 01:28:58,719
didn't they they

2364
01:29:03,270 --> 01:29:01,440
uh did not seem to think that the

2365
01:29:05,030 --> 01:29:03,280
balloon explanation was the best and

2366
01:29:06,550 --> 01:29:05,040
most likely given the circumstances at

2367
01:29:07,030 --> 01:29:06,560
least what i understand but again right

2368
01:29:10,550 --> 01:29:07,040
right

2369
01:29:13,189 --> 01:29:10,560
i've read the same article you have so

2370
01:29:14,390 --> 01:29:13,199
yeah that's at that raises so many

2371
01:29:17,669 --> 01:29:14,400
questions i don't

2372
01:29:21,350 --> 01:29:17,679
uh i would have thought that

2373
01:29:23,590 --> 01:29:21,360
if uh they got the the pilot's

2374
01:29:24,550 --> 01:29:23,600
report about this photograph and what's

2375
01:29:26,709 --> 01:29:24,560
behind it

2376
01:29:28,470 --> 01:29:26,719
that the pilot should certainly know if

2377
01:29:29,910 --> 01:29:28,480
it's a balloon or not

2378
01:29:31,750 --> 01:29:29,920
well maybe the pilot will come forward

2379
01:29:33,910 --> 01:29:31,760
again you know we have

2380
01:29:35,189 --> 01:29:33,920
yet again a similar instance with chad

2381
01:29:37,910 --> 01:29:35,199
underwood coming forward

2382
01:29:39,350 --> 01:29:37,920
only after several years again like dave

2383
01:29:40,870 --> 01:29:39,360
fravor and many others who didn't come

2384
01:29:42,790 --> 01:29:40,880
out immediately and talk about what they

2385
01:29:43,910 --> 01:29:42,800
observed back during the 2004 nimitz

2386
01:29:45,750 --> 01:29:43,920
incident

2387
01:29:47,350 --> 01:29:45,760
but i mean even after fravor had

2388
01:29:49,189 --> 01:29:47,360
appeared in the new york times and gone

2389
01:29:50,709 --> 01:29:49,199
on some programs and things

2390
01:29:52,709 --> 01:29:50,719
and had really risen to prominence as

2391
01:29:53,510 --> 01:29:52,719
one of the key witnesses in that entire

2392
01:29:55,110 --> 01:29:53,520
affair

2393
01:29:56,790 --> 01:29:55,120
i mean it was some time before chad

2394
01:29:58,709 --> 01:29:56,800
underwood finally goes and does

2395
01:30:00,229 --> 01:29:58,719
the uh interview with the intelligencer

2396
01:30:00,629 --> 01:30:00,239
at the new york daily news right new

2397
01:30:04,709 --> 01:30:00,639
york

2398
01:30:06,229 --> 01:30:04,719
course he speaks with jeremy corbell on

2399
01:30:07,669 --> 01:30:06,239
record actually and that

2400
01:30:08,870 --> 01:30:07,679
lengthy interview it you know a little

2401
01:30:10,629 --> 01:30:08,880
more than 20 minutes i mean was

2402
01:30:12,550 --> 01:30:10,639
fantastic

2403
01:30:13,910 --> 01:30:12,560
the big takeaway too and not to get away

2404
01:30:15,350 --> 01:30:13,920
from the discussion of the photograph

2405
01:30:16,870 --> 01:30:15,360
but again to illustrate the fact that

2406
01:30:18,629 --> 01:30:16,880
this is similar in the sense that

2407
01:30:19,990 --> 01:30:18,639
eventually the pilot did come forward

2408
01:30:22,149 --> 01:30:20,000
and look at what he said when he did

2409
01:30:23,910 --> 01:30:22,159
provide further details whatever that

2410
01:30:25,430 --> 01:30:23,920
thing was operating out there in our

2411
01:30:26,790 --> 01:30:25,440
controlled airspace in the middle of a

2412
01:30:29,910 --> 01:30:26,800
military exercise

2413
01:30:32,229 --> 01:30:29,920
if it's not ours that was an act of war

2414
01:30:33,030 --> 01:30:32,239
what about that is not a national

2415
01:30:35,750 --> 01:30:33,040
security

2416
01:30:37,189 --> 01:30:35,760
concern so maybe a pilot will come

2417
01:30:38,550 --> 01:30:37,199
forward at some point and say look guys

2418
01:30:39,990 --> 01:30:38,560
everybody's been saying it's a mylar

2419
01:30:43,110 --> 01:30:40,000
balloon let me tell you what else

2420
01:30:44,629 --> 01:30:43,120
we saw right maybe maybe additional

2421
01:30:45,669 --> 01:30:44,639
information forthcoming will help

2422
01:30:47,270 --> 01:30:45,679
rephrase

2423
01:30:48,709 --> 01:30:47,280
uh you know reframe the debate so to

2424
01:30:49,590 --> 01:30:48,719
speak but we aren't to that point yet i

2425
01:30:51,189 --> 01:30:49,600
hope

2426
01:30:53,189 --> 01:30:51,199
however that we will and of course there

2427
01:30:54,470 --> 01:30:53,199
is this discussion about another

2428
01:30:56,149 --> 01:30:54,480
photograph

2429
01:30:57,990 --> 01:30:56,159
it hasn't been released but at very

2430
01:30:59,669 --> 01:30:58,000
least based on the descriptions from

2431
01:31:01,430 --> 01:30:59,679
those who claim to have seen this

2432
01:31:02,709 --> 01:31:01,440
well let me jump in we got to take a

2433
01:31:05,590 --> 01:31:02,719
break right here but

2434
01:31:07,430 --> 01:31:05,600
we will discuss that second photograph

2435
01:31:08,870 --> 01:31:07,440
when we come back

2436
01:31:11,510 --> 01:31:08,880
this is fade to black i'm yours jimmy

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01:31:13,669 --> 01:31:11,520
church our guest tonight micah hanks

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that's right this is faded black and the

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way out here we listen to jimmy church

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am your host jimmy church talking about

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for free i am your host jimmy church i

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01:36:34,070 --> 01:36:30,960
guess tonight mike hanks

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01:36:37,430 --> 01:36:34,080
and we were uh uh discussing this

2542
01:36:39,270 --> 01:36:37,440
leaked photograph this f-18 pilot

2543
01:36:41,910 --> 01:36:39,280
uh photograph something with his cell

2544
01:36:45,350 --> 01:36:41,920
phone the metadata is out there

2545
01:36:48,149 --> 01:36:45,360
uh the image is real that is

2546
01:36:49,510 --> 01:36:48,159
definitely what we can conclude what is

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01:36:52,550 --> 01:36:49,520
in the image

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i i don't know but

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in the chatter that has been going

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01:36:59,350 --> 01:36:56,239
around on the internet

2551
01:36:59,990 --> 01:36:59,360
micah has been the discussion of a

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second

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01:37:06,870 --> 01:37:03,360
image an image that purportedly shows

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uh a triangular craft with lights

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01:37:10,550 --> 01:37:09,280
three lights on on the four corners

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coming out

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of an ocean at a 90 degree angle

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that's correct that's my understanding

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as well the um

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and again just to be clear there has

2561
01:37:25,189 --> 01:37:23,360
been a lot of confusion

2562
01:37:26,950 --> 01:37:25,199
i remember reading a study a few years

2563
01:37:29,910 --> 01:37:26,960
ago jimmy maybe you can

2564
01:37:32,149 --> 01:37:29,920
recall this as well this study talked

2565
01:37:36,550 --> 01:37:32,159
about the way that people

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often will share a story on social media

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01:37:40,149 --> 01:37:38,159
having only read the headline they don't

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01:37:42,310 --> 01:37:40,159
actually read the article

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01:37:43,910 --> 01:37:42,320
and again not to pick on anybody but i

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01:37:46,390 --> 01:37:43,920
strongly suggest that people

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may not have read the article because

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one of the

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prevailing questions tim mcmillan was on

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a radio show last night too and he had

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uh said that

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01:37:56,310 --> 01:37:54,239
people kept asking is this the triangle

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01:37:58,629 --> 01:37:56,320
we've laughed about that because

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he states uh in the reporting that he is

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done there at the debrief our site

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01:38:04,950 --> 01:38:03,840
that that no there was apparently a lot

2581
01:38:05,750 --> 01:38:04,960
of people have actually over the last

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several

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01:38:09,590 --> 01:38:07,440
months been talking about a photograph

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that reportedly shows a triangle-shaped

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object um you know coming up out of what

2586
01:38:16,709 --> 01:38:14,719
presumably is the ocean this also

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01:38:18,550 --> 01:38:16,719
photographed by a jet pilot

2588
01:38:19,990 --> 01:38:18,560
that photograph people have heard about

2589
01:38:21,990 --> 01:38:20,000
it i've spoken with

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01:38:23,430 --> 01:38:22,000
everyone from podcasters to independent

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01:38:24,790 --> 01:38:23,440
researchers who say that they have

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01:38:26,310 --> 01:38:24,800
sources who said that they have seen

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01:38:28,229 --> 01:38:26,320
this because this was in a widely

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01:38:29,590 --> 01:38:28,239
circulated intelligence report back in

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the summer

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and um so again with his sources

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01:38:36,310 --> 01:38:34,639
like many others i have spoken to who

2598
01:38:37,830 --> 01:38:36,320
have talked about seeing this

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01:38:40,550 --> 01:38:37,840
tim mcmillan also heard about that

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01:38:42,709 --> 01:38:40,560
photograph there was a recreation based

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01:38:44,790 --> 01:38:42,719
on the sort of description

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01:38:45,830 --> 01:38:44,800
and circulation which dave beatty the

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fantastic

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01:38:49,270 --> 01:38:48,080
uh visual artist and also the director

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01:38:52,149 --> 01:38:49,280
of the film the nimitz

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01:38:53,270 --> 01:38:52,159
uh encounters he actually produced this

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01:38:55,430 --> 01:38:53,280
sort of

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01:38:56,629 --> 01:38:55,440
mock-up a digital rendering of what it

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01:38:58,229 --> 01:38:56,639
might look like

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01:38:59,830 --> 01:38:58,239
it was featured in tim's article but

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again when the new photo

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01:39:03,669 --> 01:39:01,679
that we're talking about you know

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01:39:04,550 --> 01:39:03,679
tonight came out people say is this the

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triangle

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01:39:08,149 --> 01:39:06,080
i mean i'm seeing everybody online i

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mean some big name people too i won't

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01:39:11,350 --> 01:39:10,080
name those big names but i mean some big

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01:39:13,350 --> 01:39:11,360
names were saying this could be the

2619
01:39:16,149 --> 01:39:13,360
triangle and i'm thinking guys

2620
01:39:17,270 --> 01:39:16,159
just read the article right so no there

2621
01:39:18,870 --> 01:39:17,280
there is

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01:39:20,229 --> 01:39:18,880
discussion of and there has been for

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01:39:21,590 --> 01:39:20,239
quite a while some other kind of a

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01:39:23,109 --> 01:39:21,600
photograph

2625
01:39:24,950 --> 01:39:23,119
that you know i don't know what the

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01:39:25,510 --> 01:39:24,960
classification status of that photograph

2627
01:39:28,709 --> 01:39:25,520
might be

2628
01:39:31,270 --> 01:39:28,719
but again have you seen it

2629
01:39:31,990 --> 01:39:31,280
no no i haven't because it has has tim

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01:39:34,149 --> 01:39:32,000
mcmillan

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seen it i don't think he has i mean

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01:39:36,390 --> 01:39:35,840
again i don't have any indication that

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01:39:37,590 --> 01:39:36,400
uh

2634
01:39:39,590 --> 01:39:37,600
in fact i'm trying to think if there's

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01:39:41,270 --> 01:39:39,600
anybody i know who has i don't know

2636
01:39:41,910 --> 01:39:41,280
anyone who has seen it i only know

2637
01:39:44,629 --> 01:39:41,920
people who

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01:39:46,470 --> 01:39:44,639
have spoken with individuals who had

2639
01:39:47,910 --> 01:39:46,480
access to the report who say that they

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01:39:50,070 --> 01:39:47,920
saw it

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01:39:51,590 --> 01:39:50,080
now and what kind of danger zone are we

2642
01:39:54,709 --> 01:39:51,600
getting into here

2643
01:39:56,950 --> 01:39:54,719
right he said i have a friend you know

2644
01:39:58,709 --> 01:39:56,960
that works at a gas station that that

2645
01:39:59,030 --> 01:39:58,719
saw right right and then next thing you

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01:40:02,229 --> 01:39:59,040
know

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01:40:05,350 --> 01:40:02,239
his his cousin uh

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01:40:07,189 --> 01:40:05,360
are we getting into that kind of area

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01:40:09,750 --> 01:40:07,199
you know i i really worry that we are

2650
01:40:12,629 --> 01:40:09,760
and in truth again let me be clear i'm

2651
01:40:14,709 --> 01:40:12,639
not in love with the whole discussion of

2652
01:40:15,109 --> 01:40:14,719
quote-unquote leaked photographs again

2653
01:40:18,229 --> 01:40:15,119
the

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01:40:21,590 --> 01:40:18,239
photo that our publication reported on

2655
01:40:23,510 --> 01:40:21,600
had been online for months

2656
01:40:25,830 --> 01:40:23,520
my suspicion is actually that it had

2657
01:40:28,790 --> 01:40:25,840
been in the in the public sphere

2658
01:40:30,149 --> 01:40:28,800
beforehand and that it later was it came

2659
01:40:32,709 --> 01:40:30,159
to the attention

2660
01:40:33,750 --> 01:40:32,719
probably of the uap task force as is you

2661
01:40:35,270 --> 01:40:33,760
know termed

2662
01:40:36,790 --> 01:40:35,280
today that's the operative term you know

2663
01:40:38,629 --> 01:40:36,800
for the the official

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01:40:40,870 --> 01:40:38,639
uh organization that norquist of course

2665
01:40:42,790 --> 01:40:40,880
is heading up as of this summer but

2666
01:40:44,070 --> 01:40:42,800
uh and that wouldn't seem unusual to me

2667
01:40:45,510 --> 01:40:44,080
i mean let's say that you know jimmy

2668
01:40:47,109 --> 01:40:45,520
is walking down the street and he sees a

2669
01:40:48,950 --> 01:40:47,119
ufo it's like wow what is that

2670
01:40:50,229 --> 01:40:48,960
and you film it if the government's

2671
01:40:51,430 --> 01:40:50,239
going to try and produce a report on

2672
01:40:52,550 --> 01:40:51,440
what these things might be and they're

2673
01:40:54,470 --> 01:40:52,560
compelled enough to

2674
01:40:55,830 --> 01:40:54,480
you know examine a piece of footage or a

2675
01:40:56,870 --> 01:40:55,840
photograph you've obtained i could see

2676
01:40:58,470 --> 01:40:56,880
them doing that so

2677
01:41:00,229 --> 01:40:58,480
again that's why i keep saying this

2678
01:41:01,750 --> 01:41:00,239
photo might have been around much longer

2679
01:41:02,950 --> 01:41:01,760
but we know it's at least been around

2680
01:41:05,750 --> 01:41:02,960
since may

2681
01:41:07,510 --> 01:41:05,760
now that said again others say that they

2682
01:41:09,430 --> 01:41:07,520
have seen something else

2683
01:41:10,709 --> 01:41:09,440
um i do know that there was an interview

2684
01:41:11,270 --> 01:41:10,719
i haven't listened to it i don't know if

2685
01:41:13,510 --> 01:41:11,280
you have

2686
01:41:15,350 --> 01:41:13,520
uh but apparently it occurred on grant

2687
01:41:16,709 --> 01:41:15,360
cameron's podcast

2688
01:41:19,030 --> 01:41:16,719
where there was some discussion about

2689
01:41:20,870 --> 01:41:19,040
this and uh what was

2690
01:41:23,350 --> 01:41:20,880
trending on twitter thereafter was what

2691
01:41:25,430 --> 01:41:23,360
people were calling uh triangle gate you

2692
01:41:27,750 --> 01:41:25,440
know this purported photograph

2693
01:41:29,030 --> 01:41:27,760
um so again let me just be clear the

2694
01:41:30,550 --> 01:41:29,040
photo we're talking about right now you

2695
01:41:32,070 --> 01:41:30,560
and i which we've been breaking down and

2696
01:41:33,430 --> 01:41:32,080
analyzing that has nothing to do with

2697
01:41:35,109 --> 01:41:33,440
this alleged photo

2698
01:41:36,470 --> 01:41:35,119
said to exist and as far as that kind of

2699
01:41:37,990 --> 01:41:36,480
scary territory

2700
01:41:39,189 --> 01:41:38,000
how much do we know is this voter ever

2701
01:41:40,149 --> 01:41:39,199
going to see the light of day does it

2702
01:41:43,270 --> 01:41:40,159
really exist

2703
01:41:45,189 --> 01:41:43,280
those questions remain in my opinion

2704
01:41:46,790 --> 01:41:45,199
based on the current evidence that are

2705
01:41:48,229 --> 01:41:46,800
you know disposal but again what we know

2706
01:41:49,189 --> 01:41:48,239
is that there are people and this maybe

2707
01:41:53,189 --> 01:41:49,199
is the one

2708
01:41:55,030 --> 01:41:53,199
redeeming aspect of this several people

2709
01:41:56,790 --> 01:41:55,040
say that this widely distributed again

2710
01:41:58,149 --> 01:41:56,800
this reported in tim's initial article

2711
01:42:00,310 --> 01:41:58,159
dealing with the trans medium

2712
01:42:02,390 --> 01:42:00,320
vehicles and reporting on that several

2713
01:42:03,990 --> 01:42:02,400
people okay who are familiar with this

2714
01:42:05,510 --> 01:42:04,000
intelligence report

2715
01:42:06,709 --> 01:42:05,520
said that they had observed this

2716
01:42:08,870 --> 01:42:06,719
photograph and there are some pretty

2717
01:42:10,629 --> 01:42:08,880
high profile names as far as those who

2718
01:42:12,149 --> 01:42:10,639
are aware of its existence and who say

2719
01:42:13,990 --> 01:42:12,159
that they have seen it

2720
01:42:15,350 --> 01:42:14,000
so you know again if it were just one

2721
01:42:17,350 --> 01:42:15,360
person i think it would be more

2722
01:42:18,950 --> 01:42:17,360
concerning in my personal opinion

2723
01:42:20,149 --> 01:42:18,960
based on the number of people who have

2724
01:42:21,109 --> 01:42:20,159
said that they are aware of its

2725
01:42:22,950 --> 01:42:21,119
existence

2726
01:42:24,149 --> 01:42:22,960
and who had you know who had actually

2727
01:42:24,709 --> 01:42:24,159
been aware of the existence of the

2728
01:42:28,070 --> 01:42:24,719
report

2729
01:42:30,070 --> 01:42:28,080
that it was actually contained within i

2730
01:42:31,830 --> 01:42:30,080
would strongly suggest that it's

2731
01:42:33,350 --> 01:42:31,840
it seems likely to me that the photo

2732
01:42:34,470 --> 01:42:33,360
does exist and no it's not the same

2733
01:42:37,510 --> 01:42:34,480
thing we're talking about

2734
01:42:40,629 --> 01:42:37,520
now how do we um

2735
01:42:43,669 --> 01:42:40,639
how do we it

2736
01:42:46,790 --> 01:42:43,679
let's be very basic here sure if

2737
01:42:50,070 --> 01:42:46,800
i if if i get that photograph

2738
01:42:51,910 --> 01:42:50,080
in an email and i see it i don't

2739
01:42:53,189 --> 01:42:51,920
comment and say that i've seen the

2740
01:42:56,629 --> 01:42:53,199
photograph

2741
01:42:57,189 --> 01:42:56,639
i publish it right now right i publish

2742
01:43:03,830 --> 01:42:57,199
it

2743
01:43:05,669 --> 01:43:03,840
any other ufo researcher that claims

2744
01:43:08,229 --> 01:43:05,679
that they have seen the image

2745
01:43:09,350 --> 01:43:08,239
without producing the image i don't i

2746
01:43:11,510 --> 01:43:09,360
don't get that

2747
01:43:13,270 --> 01:43:11,520
i almost go the opposite direction where

2748
01:43:15,510 --> 01:43:13,280
i dismiss it

2749
01:43:17,750 --> 01:43:15,520
because anybody would publish this

2750
01:43:19,910 --> 01:43:17,760
photograph if they had it

2751
01:43:20,790 --> 01:43:19,920
yeah you know i would think that yeah if

2752
01:43:23,189 --> 01:43:20,800
they had it

2753
01:43:24,790 --> 01:43:23,199
i think that's a good point um and it

2754
01:43:26,870 --> 01:43:24,800
reminds me a bit of

2755
01:43:28,470 --> 01:43:26,880
something that we see uh throughout

2756
01:43:31,910 --> 01:43:28,480
history with ufo

2757
01:43:33,990 --> 01:43:31,920
reports where there are sometimes even

2758
01:43:35,350 --> 01:43:34,000
military encounters where

2759
01:43:37,109 --> 01:43:35,360
we can go back and we can look in the

2760
01:43:39,750 --> 01:43:37,119
blue book files i was at the night

2761
01:43:41,669 --> 01:43:39,760
project 1947 website last night that jan

2762
01:43:43,830 --> 01:43:41,679
aldrich has run for years talk about a

2763
01:43:45,270 --> 01:43:43,840
real i mean just a trailblazer

2764
01:43:47,350 --> 01:43:45,280
and i'm i'm going back through some of

2765
01:43:48,149 --> 01:43:47,360
the cases from the 60s and 70s where

2766
01:43:49,910 --> 01:43:48,159
they're saying this

2767
01:43:51,990 --> 01:43:49,920
ufo showed up it hovered near the

2768
01:43:54,070 --> 01:43:52,000
aircraft or rather the the sailing

2769
01:43:55,750 --> 01:43:54,080
vessel it had what appeared to be

2770
01:43:58,950 --> 01:43:55,760
portholes around the edges

2771
01:44:01,910 --> 01:43:58,960
several photographs were taken

2772
01:44:03,750 --> 01:44:01,920
and i'm like where did those photos go i

2773
01:44:05,510 --> 01:44:03,760
mean these photos don't just disappear

2774
01:44:07,030 --> 01:44:05,520
into the ether unless as people have

2775
01:44:08,550 --> 01:44:07,040
alleged for years

2776
01:44:11,350 --> 01:44:08,560
somebody is actually collecting these

2777
01:44:13,350 --> 01:44:11,360
some agency actually has some repository

2778
01:44:14,470 --> 01:44:13,360
of ufo photographs the best stuff you

2779
01:44:15,830 --> 01:44:14,480
could ever imagine

2780
01:44:17,109 --> 01:44:15,840
you know i think about gordon cooper

2781
01:44:19,189 --> 01:44:17,119
claiming that the guys out there at

2782
01:44:21,430 --> 01:44:19,199
white sands filmed a little saucer

2783
01:44:22,950 --> 01:44:21,440
down and then take off whatever happened

2784
01:44:25,189 --> 01:44:22,960
to that you know they said that they had

2785
01:44:27,030 --> 01:44:25,199
the footage it was confiscated

2786
01:44:29,270 --> 01:44:27,040
is there really a bunch of footage of

2787
01:44:29,910 --> 01:44:29,280
this stuff somewhere that we'll never

2788
01:44:33,510 --> 01:44:29,920
see

2789
01:44:33,990 --> 01:44:33,520
mean i i couldn't tell you but again

2790
01:44:35,990 --> 01:44:34,000
that's the

2791
01:44:37,350 --> 01:44:36,000
problem inherent to ufo research and

2792
01:44:38,950 --> 01:44:37,360
these stories that

2793
01:44:40,550 --> 01:44:38,960
over time yeah i think they almost do

2794
01:44:42,550 --> 01:44:40,560
become sort of mythologized

2795
01:44:44,149 --> 01:44:42,560
jimmy and we'll never know was there

2796
01:44:45,510 --> 01:44:44,159
really a photograph taken or is that

2797
01:44:46,629 --> 01:44:45,520
just some sort of an embellishment that

2798
01:44:49,109 --> 01:44:46,639
was added after the fact

2799
01:44:50,470 --> 01:44:49,119
now i would like to think based on the

2800
01:44:51,830 --> 01:44:50,480
number of people who have talked about

2801
01:44:53,189 --> 01:44:51,840
these intelligence reports

2802
01:44:55,270 --> 01:44:53,199
i mean who knows maybe when this

2803
01:44:58,149 --> 01:44:55,280
report's filed if again

2804
01:44:59,430 --> 01:44:58,159
the uap is able to complete its report

2805
01:45:00,790 --> 01:44:59,440
because you've got to keep in mind again

2806
01:45:02,950 --> 01:45:00,800
referring to the notes right here

2807
01:45:04,310 --> 01:45:02,960
we have the fact that the senate passed

2808
01:45:06,950 --> 01:45:04,320
the ndaa

2809
01:45:08,790 --> 01:45:06,960
the national defense authorization act

2810
01:45:10,550 --> 01:45:08,800
okay which included an intelligence

2811
01:45:11,990 --> 01:45:10,560
authorization act

2812
01:45:13,750 --> 01:45:12,000
that's the portion that contained the

2813
01:45:15,669 --> 01:45:13,760
language about the uap task force but

2814
01:45:18,149 --> 01:45:15,679
there's also been some talk right now

2815
01:45:20,310 --> 01:45:18,159
despite the fact that that was passed

2816
01:45:21,830 --> 01:45:20,320
right through the house back in july

2817
01:45:23,669 --> 01:45:21,840
there's some discussion about whether

2818
01:45:27,189 --> 01:45:23,679
the ndaa might end up being

2819
01:45:29,510 --> 01:45:27,199
vetoed and i mean if that happens

2820
01:45:31,669 --> 01:45:29,520
it could be a while before the uap task

2821
01:45:33,990 --> 01:45:31,679
force is able to complete a report

2822
01:45:35,750 --> 01:45:34,000
so would this photo be included in that

2823
01:45:37,189 --> 01:45:35,760
i don't know i hope though that they are

2824
01:45:39,030 --> 01:45:37,199
able to continue

2825
01:45:41,350 --> 01:45:39,040
toward the production of this report

2826
01:45:43,189 --> 01:45:41,360
unencumbered it would really be tragic

2827
01:45:44,790 --> 01:45:43,199
if we were to suppose that they were

2828
01:45:45,350 --> 01:45:44,800
gonna you know actually publish

2829
01:45:47,030 --> 01:45:45,360
something

2830
01:45:49,030 --> 01:45:47,040
and because of politics up there in

2831
01:45:50,390 --> 01:45:49,040
washington and partisanship

2832
01:45:52,310 --> 01:45:50,400
you know they weren't able they weren't

2833
01:45:53,189 --> 01:45:52,320
actually able to do and again what i'm

2834
01:45:54,950 --> 01:45:53,199
talking about right there

2835
01:45:56,790 --> 01:45:54,960
popular mechanics is reported on and

2836
01:45:58,790 --> 01:45:56,800
other uh outlets which

2837
01:46:00,070 --> 01:45:58,800
have nothing to do with ufos they're all

2838
01:46:01,590 --> 01:46:00,080
talking about how politic

2839
01:46:03,669 --> 01:46:01,600
politics could get in the way of this

2840
01:46:05,430 --> 01:46:03,679
ndaa being passed so

2841
01:46:07,109 --> 01:46:05,440
there are a lot of factors complicating

2842
01:46:08,390 --> 01:46:07,119
this situation but i mean best case

2843
01:46:10,550 --> 01:46:08,400
scenario i think

2844
01:46:12,070 --> 01:46:10,560
the uap task force publishes its report

2845
01:46:14,229 --> 01:46:12,080
maybe we see that photograph

2846
01:46:15,590 --> 01:46:14,239
i mean would that be a crazy proposition

2847
01:46:19,350 --> 01:46:15,600
well how does

2848
01:46:22,390 --> 01:46:19,360
a ufo researcher of note

2849
01:46:23,350 --> 01:46:22,400
say that they have seen this image how

2850
01:46:26,390 --> 01:46:23,360
do you see it

2851
01:46:27,350 --> 01:46:26,400
is somebody flashing you a photograph of

2852
01:46:29,109 --> 01:46:27,360
it in person

2853
01:46:30,790 --> 01:46:29,119
right here it is and you see it and then

2854
01:46:33,350 --> 01:46:30,800
it's taken away

2855
01:46:34,870 --> 01:46:33,360
or is somebody coming up to you with the

2856
01:46:38,229 --> 01:46:34,880
image on a cell phone

2857
01:46:42,709 --> 01:46:38,239
look check this out right is it

2858
01:46:45,350 --> 01:46:42,719
or are they seeing it electronically

2859
01:46:46,550 --> 01:46:45,360
via email and if that's the case and

2860
01:46:48,310 --> 01:46:46,560
it's via email

2861
01:46:50,790 --> 01:46:48,320
which i don't think that somebody's

2862
01:46:52,950 --> 01:46:50,800
walking around showing

2863
01:46:53,990 --> 01:46:52,960
you know triangle ufos on a cell phone

2864
01:46:57,030 --> 01:46:54,000
but i can't send it to

2865
01:47:00,070 --> 01:46:57,040
you but here it is right right

2866
01:47:01,030 --> 01:47:00,080
if it's coming via email then that would

2867
01:47:03,189 --> 01:47:01,040
have made its way

2868
01:47:04,149 --> 01:47:03,199
onto the internet and that that's that's

2869
01:47:06,070 --> 01:47:04,159
my point

2870
01:47:07,189 --> 01:47:06,080
well sure but now let me try and clarify

2871
01:47:09,510 --> 01:47:07,199
something as you said

2872
01:47:10,870 --> 01:47:09,520
if any significant ufo researcher of

2873
01:47:12,229 --> 01:47:10,880
note claims they've seen it now i don't

2874
01:47:12,629 --> 01:47:12,239
know of any who claim that they've seen

2875
01:47:15,750 --> 01:47:12,639
it

2876
01:47:16,629 --> 01:47:15,760
ufo researchers that's the issue right

2877
01:47:18,629 --> 01:47:16,639
there again

2878
01:47:19,669 --> 01:47:18,639
my understanding is that only people who

2879
01:47:21,669 --> 01:47:19,679
claim that they are

2880
01:47:23,270 --> 01:47:21,679
involved who have seen this aren't

2881
01:47:23,990 --> 01:47:23,280
people in the ufo community these are

2882
01:47:25,510 --> 01:47:24,000
people who

2883
01:47:27,030 --> 01:47:25,520
are more involved on that government

2884
01:47:27,830 --> 01:47:27,040
side of things and who are aware of an

2885
01:47:30,390 --> 01:47:27,840
intelligence

2886
01:47:32,470 --> 01:47:30,400
report that contained the photo which as

2887
01:47:33,510 --> 01:47:32,480
tim mcmillan reported has been widely

2888
01:47:35,109 --> 01:47:33,520
circulated

2889
01:47:36,870 --> 01:47:35,119
but again to my knowledge i know of no

2890
01:47:38,629 --> 01:47:36,880
ufo researchers who claim to have seen

2891
01:47:40,390 --> 01:47:38,639
this thing only those who have spoken to

2892
01:47:41,990 --> 01:47:40,400
people who say that they saw it

2893
01:47:44,310 --> 01:47:42,000
those individuals all would be in

2894
01:47:47,270 --> 01:47:44,320
government if you have the uh

2895
01:47:48,070 --> 01:47:47,280
if you have the image right does the

2896
01:47:51,510 --> 01:47:48,080
debrief

2897
01:47:53,590 --> 01:47:51,520
publish it if i had it uh

2898
01:47:55,669 --> 01:47:53,600
that's a good question i mean you know

2899
01:47:56,950 --> 01:47:55,679
here's my issue i respect national

2900
01:47:58,709 --> 01:47:56,960
security and let me just be clear we

2901
01:48:01,030 --> 01:47:58,719
don't have it by the way yeah i don't i

2902
01:48:03,350 --> 01:48:01,040
don't respect it

2903
01:48:04,950 --> 01:48:03,360
when it comes to black triangles well

2904
01:48:09,350 --> 01:48:04,960
okay okay

2905
01:48:12,030 --> 01:48:09,360
let's stay on this ttsa

2906
01:48:14,310 --> 01:48:12,040
had no issues with claiming the

2907
01:48:16,629 --> 01:48:14,320
responsibility of distributing

2908
01:48:18,950 --> 01:48:16,639
those three videos whether they were out

2909
01:48:19,590 --> 01:48:18,960
on the net before or or whatever what

2910
01:48:21,430 --> 01:48:19,600
have you

2911
01:48:22,870 --> 01:48:21,440
and one of them was as we know yeah yes

2912
01:48:25,990 --> 01:48:22,880
yes for for

2913
01:48:26,870 --> 01:48:26,000
more than a decade actually so if that's

2914
01:48:30,870 --> 01:48:26,880
the case

2915
01:48:33,510 --> 01:48:30,880
then would we be in a position to expect

2916
01:48:35,189 --> 01:48:33,520
this to get leaked maybe this time

2917
01:48:38,070 --> 01:48:35,199
around with the debrief

2918
01:48:39,430 --> 01:48:38,080
and not necessarily through ttsa or

2919
01:48:41,910 --> 01:48:39,440
another medium

2920
01:48:42,870 --> 01:48:41,920
i mean i wouldn't expect it to be leaked

2921
01:48:44,950 --> 01:48:42,880
through us

2922
01:48:46,870 --> 01:48:44,960
because again we don't have any kind of

2923
01:48:48,550 --> 01:48:46,880
contact or access i mean tim mcmillan

2924
01:48:50,629 --> 01:48:48,560
has people he has spoken with who he has

2925
01:48:52,550 --> 01:48:50,639
interviewed for his articles but again

2926
01:48:54,470 --> 01:48:52,560
when we look at ttsa slightly different

2927
01:48:55,109 --> 01:48:54,480
dynamic there again you got some former

2928
01:48:58,310 --> 01:48:55,119
government

2929
01:48:59,669 --> 01:48:58,320
insiders who were i mean they actually

2930
01:49:00,310 --> 01:48:59,679
were employed within the government and

2931
01:49:02,149 --> 01:49:00,320
thereby

2932
01:49:04,070 --> 01:49:02,159
would have had knowledge of the

2933
01:49:07,030 --> 01:49:04,080
existence of the videos

2934
01:49:10,629 --> 01:49:07,040
and again whatever process was enacted

2935
01:49:13,109 --> 01:49:10,639
in order to facilitate their release

2936
01:49:14,470 --> 01:49:13,119
again there's a bunch of kind of there

2937
01:49:16,310 --> 01:49:14,480
there are different

2938
01:49:18,390 --> 01:49:16,320
kind of takes on how that happened again

2939
01:49:20,790 --> 01:49:18,400
elizondo had said that he had

2940
01:49:22,550 --> 01:49:20,800
uh at one point acquired them and that

2941
01:49:24,470 --> 01:49:22,560
it maybe had been stated that that was

2942
01:49:27,030 --> 01:49:24,480
for instructional purposes

2943
01:49:28,790 --> 01:49:27,040
uh but that did that he had a you know

2944
01:49:31,510 --> 01:49:28,800
officially requested their

2945
01:49:33,430 --> 01:49:31,520
release for whatever purpose then of

2946
01:49:34,950 --> 01:49:33,440
course when the dod released them in

2947
01:49:36,470 --> 01:49:34,960
april they had

2948
01:49:38,070 --> 01:49:36,480
continued to say as they have said all

2949
01:49:39,430 --> 01:49:38,080
along that these were unauthorized

2950
01:49:42,470 --> 01:49:39,440
releases

2951
01:49:45,750 --> 01:49:42,480
but again those videos were unclassified

2952
01:49:46,070 --> 01:49:45,760
for special use only so i mean when they

2953
01:49:48,629 --> 01:49:46,080
were

2954
01:49:50,390 --> 01:49:48,639
and one of them as we just mentioned

2955
01:49:51,589 --> 01:49:50,400
already had been for years it appeared

2956
01:49:54,229 --> 01:49:51,599
on a german

2957
01:49:55,669 --> 01:49:54,239
you know like film making website server

2958
01:49:57,510 --> 01:49:55,679
or something like that

2959
01:49:58,390 --> 01:49:57,520
as reported by openminds and others

2960
01:49:59,830 --> 01:49:58,400
again you know when these things

2961
01:50:01,430 --> 01:49:59,840
appeared online it's kind of like okay

2962
01:50:02,550 --> 01:50:01,440
well they're out you know but i mean

2963
01:50:04,229 --> 01:50:02,560
they weren't they don't seem to show

2964
01:50:05,669 --> 01:50:04,239
anything classified now

2965
01:50:08,149 --> 01:50:05,679
one interesting point about that you and

2966
01:50:10,310 --> 01:50:08,159
i talked about this on late night radio

2967
01:50:11,430 --> 01:50:10,320
some time back but uh there had also

2968
01:50:14,070 --> 01:50:11,440
been the fact that

2969
01:50:16,310 --> 01:50:14,080
the uh the pentagon at the time of the

2970
01:50:18,709 --> 01:50:16,320
release in april had noted

2971
01:50:20,229 --> 01:50:18,719
hey look you know after a thorough

2972
01:50:21,910 --> 01:50:20,239
investigation

2973
01:50:23,750 --> 01:50:21,920
we having we have concluded that there

2974
01:50:26,470 --> 01:50:23,760
is no evidence of any kind of

2975
01:50:27,990 --> 01:50:26,480
classified technology displayed in these

2976
01:50:30,550 --> 01:50:28,000
videos and thereby we have

2977
01:50:32,390 --> 01:50:30,560
authorized these now for release we

2978
01:50:33,189 --> 01:50:32,400
class the phenomenon that appears in

2979
01:50:35,510 --> 01:50:33,199
those videos

2980
01:50:37,350 --> 01:50:35,520
unidentified what they were saying is

2981
01:50:39,030 --> 01:50:37,360
that they went back and they re-reviewed

2982
01:50:40,790 --> 01:50:39,040
those videos at least that was my

2983
01:50:42,870 --> 01:50:40,800
take on what they were saying we

2984
01:50:44,149 --> 01:50:42,880
reviewed these videos to determine

2985
01:50:45,990 --> 01:50:44,159
whether there was any classified

2986
01:50:47,350 --> 01:50:46,000
information is that technology our own

2987
01:50:48,790 --> 01:50:47,360
stuff is that something that like bill

2988
01:50:50,709 --> 01:50:48,800
nye the science guy says

2989
01:50:52,470 --> 01:50:50,719
we cooked up out there at area 51 well

2990
01:50:56,629 --> 01:50:52,480
the dod said no

2991
01:50:58,430 --> 01:50:56,639
now wouldn't alien technology

2992
01:51:00,310 --> 01:50:58,440
be classified

2993
01:51:02,870 --> 01:51:00,320
[Laughter]

2994
01:51:04,390 --> 01:51:02,880
maybe not that's the interesting thing

2995
01:51:06,070 --> 01:51:04,400
you would think this would be the most

2996
01:51:06,709 --> 01:51:06,080
highly classified secret think about the

2997
01:51:09,109 --> 01:51:06,719
wilbert b

2998
01:51:09,750 --> 01:51:09,119
smith memorandum you know back from like

2999
01:51:13,109 --> 01:51:09,760
you know

3000
01:51:15,350 --> 01:51:13,119
was it 1952 i believe uh

3001
01:51:16,950 --> 01:51:15,360
again canadian engineer comes down

3002
01:51:17,750 --> 01:51:16,960
spends some time in washington goes to

3003
01:51:19,510 --> 01:51:17,760
the washington

3004
01:51:20,709 --> 01:51:19,520
the canadian embassy there in washington

3005
01:51:22,550 --> 01:51:20,719
he's trying to get to the bottom of the

3006
01:51:24,149 --> 01:51:22,560
ufo thing he's read

3007
01:51:25,990 --> 01:51:24,159
frank scully's book behind the flying

3008
01:51:28,070 --> 01:51:26,000
saucers

3009
01:51:29,109 --> 01:51:28,080
and he goes to the embassy and a fellow

3010
01:51:31,350 --> 01:51:29,119
at the embassy

3011
01:51:32,950 --> 01:51:31,360
makes some queries there in washington

3012
01:51:36,229 --> 01:51:32,960
with his contacts and tells

3013
01:51:38,390 --> 01:51:36,239
mr smith yeah there is a government

3014
01:51:40,070 --> 01:51:38,400
scientific group led by vannevar bush oh

3015
01:51:41,430 --> 01:51:40,080
yeah i've got that same copy jimmy

3016
01:51:43,189 --> 01:51:41,440
ladies and gentlemen at home is showing

3017
01:51:44,950 --> 01:51:43,199
me his copy of frank scully's behind the

3018
01:51:47,990 --> 01:51:44,960
flying saucers i've got the same one

3019
01:51:50,790 --> 01:51:48,000
in there in my other room yeah classic

3020
01:51:51,430 --> 01:51:50,800
ufo literature but uh yeah he'd read

3021
01:51:53,109 --> 01:51:51,440
that book

3022
01:51:55,589 --> 01:51:53,119
and his contacts there at the embassy

3023
01:51:56,310 --> 01:51:55,599
said the americans are taking this

3024
01:51:58,470 --> 01:51:56,320
seriously

3025
01:51:59,830 --> 01:51:58,480
it is the most significant thing i mean

3026
01:52:00,709 --> 01:51:59,840
this is a higher priority than the

3027
01:52:03,189 --> 01:52:00,719
h-bomb

3028
01:52:03,830 --> 01:52:03,199
again to your point it would seem based

3029
01:52:05,430 --> 01:52:03,840
on what

3030
01:52:07,589 --> 01:52:05,440
wilbert smith was told that yeah the

3031
01:52:11,030 --> 01:52:07,599
americans did treat the ufo

3032
01:52:13,430 --> 01:52:11,040
issue as a highly classified subject but

3033
01:52:15,430 --> 01:52:13,440
by today's standards the dod releases

3034
01:52:17,750 --> 01:52:15,440
videos of things they can't identify

3035
01:52:18,790 --> 01:52:17,760
you know they said this doesn't seem to

3036
01:52:20,390 --> 01:52:18,800
be anything of ours

3037
01:52:22,709 --> 01:52:20,400
it doesn't seem to be an enemy

3038
01:52:23,510 --> 01:52:22,719
technology nothing we could see in this

3039
01:52:25,750 --> 01:52:23,520
footage

3040
01:52:26,870 --> 01:52:25,760
if released to the public details

3041
01:52:29,030 --> 01:52:26,880
anything that the public

3042
01:52:30,629 --> 01:52:29,040
shouldn't know about it therefore we

3043
01:52:33,350 --> 01:52:30,639
class it as unidentified

3044
01:52:34,870 --> 01:52:33,360
but it's unclassified here you go so i

3045
01:52:37,910 --> 01:52:34,880
don't know what's in those videos

3046
01:52:42,470 --> 01:52:37,920
but if that's alien it's unclassified

3047
01:52:45,270 --> 01:52:42,480
well exactly exactly and

3048
01:52:46,709 --> 01:52:45,280
well those three videos uh could be

3049
01:52:49,350 --> 01:52:46,719
anything

3050
01:52:51,669 --> 01:52:49,360
if if nobody mentioned the word ufo and

3051
01:52:55,109 --> 01:52:51,679
you saw the videos would you jump

3052
01:52:57,910 --> 01:52:55,119
to ufo first probably not

3053
01:52:58,950 --> 01:52:57,920
the power of suggestion allows you to

3054
01:53:00,709 --> 01:52:58,960
view it as

3055
01:53:02,629 --> 01:53:00,719
possibly alien i'm talking about the

3056
01:53:06,550 --> 01:53:02,639
flear tic tac and go fast

3057
01:53:10,070 --> 01:53:06,560
but this image showing a triangle

3058
01:53:10,950 --> 01:53:10,080
ufo coming out of the ocean at 90

3059
01:53:13,350 --> 01:53:10,960
degrees

3060
01:53:14,550 --> 01:53:13,360
that's a that's if it is what it's

3061
01:53:16,629 --> 01:53:14,560
supposed to be

3062
01:53:17,589 --> 01:53:16,639
that is not these three videos now we

3063
01:53:19,669 --> 01:53:17,599
are clearly

3064
01:53:20,950 --> 01:53:19,679
looking at something that is

3065
01:53:23,270 --> 01:53:20,960
unexplainable

3066
01:53:24,390 --> 01:53:23,280
that's that's a big jump coming from the

3067
01:53:26,390 --> 01:53:24,400
pentagon

3068
01:53:27,910 --> 01:53:26,400
that type of leak and that type of

3069
01:53:29,350 --> 01:53:27,920
exposure out into the public

3070
01:53:32,070 --> 01:53:29,360
is that something that we could ever

3071
01:53:35,589 --> 01:53:32,080
expect i don't know and again you know

3072
01:53:37,589 --> 01:53:35,599
the the more skeptical side of me

3073
01:53:38,870 --> 01:53:37,599
has to say i'll believe it when i see it

3074
01:53:40,950 --> 01:53:38,880
i mean right right right

3075
01:53:42,950 --> 01:53:40,960
i'm trying to discuss this and frame

3076
01:53:45,030 --> 01:53:42,960
this in terms of the narrative as

3077
01:53:46,629 --> 01:53:45,040
people i've spoken with have discussed

3078
01:53:48,149 --> 01:53:46,639
tim mcmillan being one of them

3079
01:53:49,430 --> 01:53:48,159
you know but i mean a lot of people

3080
01:53:50,950 --> 01:53:49,440
apparently have heard about this i

3081
01:53:51,990 --> 01:53:50,960
believe george knapp has talked about it

3082
01:53:53,830 --> 01:53:52,000
now i i

3083
01:53:56,390 --> 01:53:53,840
will say this and again i don't want to

3084
01:54:00,070 --> 01:53:56,400
completely suppose anything but

3085
01:54:03,350 --> 01:54:00,080
uh as keith basterfield over on his blog

3086
01:54:05,030 --> 01:54:03,360
noted uh there was an update at mystery

3087
01:54:05,750 --> 01:54:05,040
wire from george knapp saying that the

3088
01:54:07,830 --> 01:54:05,760
photograph

3089
01:54:09,430 --> 01:54:07,840
uh that they had in their position

3090
01:54:10,070 --> 01:54:09,440
possession did not appear to be the same

3091
01:54:12,070 --> 01:54:10,080
one

3092
01:54:14,149 --> 01:54:12,080
that was leaked online earlier this year

3093
01:54:15,030 --> 01:54:14,159
and which you know the debrief reported

3094
01:54:18,790 --> 01:54:15,040
on

3095
01:54:21,350 --> 01:54:18,800
in recent days so i'm interested in

3096
01:54:22,870 --> 01:54:21,360
in knowing what exactly if there is some

3097
01:54:24,790 --> 01:54:22,880
sort of difference or discrepancy

3098
01:54:26,310 --> 01:54:24,800
between them what that would be

3099
01:54:27,510 --> 01:54:26,320
or if indeed we're talking about the

3100
01:54:28,629 --> 01:54:27,520
same photograph because one

3101
01:54:29,830 --> 01:54:28,639
interpretation

3102
01:54:31,830 --> 01:54:29,840
and i haven't talked to george about

3103
01:54:32,149 --> 01:54:31,840
this but i respect george very highly i

3104
01:54:34,390 --> 01:54:32,159
think

3105
01:54:36,310 --> 01:54:34,400
you know very highly of him but um and

3106
01:54:38,070 --> 01:54:36,320
he and i have not corresponded

3107
01:54:39,910 --> 01:54:38,080
recently either it's been since maybe in

3108
01:54:41,030 --> 01:54:39,920
the spring since we last had an email

3109
01:54:43,109 --> 01:54:41,040
exchange so

3110
01:54:44,470 --> 01:54:43,119
uh i'd be interested in knowing uh

3111
01:54:46,950 --> 01:54:44,480
what's the difference between those you

3112
01:54:48,950 --> 01:54:46,960
know does he have a different photograph

3113
01:54:50,390 --> 01:54:48,960
i don't know but again the skeptic in me

3114
01:54:52,950 --> 01:54:50,400
jimmy would have to say

3115
01:54:55,350 --> 01:54:52,960
i'll believe it when i see it hence why

3116
01:54:57,109 --> 01:54:55,360
i am not enamored particularly with

3117
01:54:58,550 --> 01:54:57,119
a bunch of discussion about photographs

3118
01:55:00,550 --> 01:54:58,560
that really again a

3119
01:55:02,390 --> 01:55:00,560
one nobody's actually seen but people

3120
01:55:04,870 --> 01:55:02,400
have only heard about and b

3121
01:55:06,070 --> 01:55:04,880
one that and maybe you know i'm wrong

3122
01:55:08,550 --> 01:55:06,080
but i still think

3123
01:55:10,229 --> 01:55:08,560
i maintain it looks a lot like a balloon

3124
01:55:12,390 --> 01:55:10,239
of some kind to me

3125
01:55:14,149 --> 01:55:12,400
maybe further information forthcoming

3126
01:55:15,750 --> 01:55:14,159
will cause me to change my opinion about

3127
01:55:17,990 --> 01:55:15,760
that but i mean if i had to say what i

3128
01:55:19,109 --> 01:55:18,000
really thought it's most likely to be i

3129
01:55:21,589 --> 01:55:19,119
have to say balloon

3130
01:55:23,910 --> 01:55:21,599
so again i would really like to see the

3131
01:55:25,990 --> 01:55:23,920
conversation come back over to hey

3132
01:55:28,149 --> 01:55:26,000
while all this talk about china and

3133
01:55:30,070 --> 01:55:28,159
russia and area 51 and all this stuff is

3134
01:55:32,149 --> 01:55:30,080
so popular right now

3135
01:55:33,510 --> 01:55:32,159
did we have that in 1947 did we have

3136
01:55:35,030 --> 01:55:33,520
that in 1943

3137
01:55:36,709 --> 01:55:35,040
you know did we have some sort of

3138
01:55:40,390 --> 01:55:36,719
nascent technology

3139
01:55:42,229 --> 01:55:40,400
that was trailing our allied pilots you

3140
01:55:43,589 --> 01:55:42,239
know over europe and in fact over the

3141
01:55:45,510 --> 01:55:43,599
pacific theater

3142
01:55:47,189 --> 01:55:45,520
during the second world war you know

3143
01:55:49,270 --> 01:55:47,199
what was charles fort talking about

3144
01:55:51,109 --> 01:55:49,280
back in the 10s and the 20s and the 30s

3145
01:55:53,189 --> 01:55:51,119
and the 14 society after him

3146
01:55:55,589 --> 01:55:53,199
what were these so-called airships that

3147
01:55:57,669 --> 01:55:55,599
were seen over the americas in the 1890s

3148
01:55:58,790 --> 01:55:57,679
you know maybe this is all just

3149
01:56:02,310 --> 01:55:58,800
mythology

3150
01:56:04,790 --> 01:56:02,320
humans have an

3151
01:56:06,950 --> 01:56:04,800
incredible incredible imaginary

3152
01:56:08,550 --> 01:56:06,960
capability of imagining strange things

3153
01:56:09,350 --> 01:56:08,560
that we see in the skies and in recent

3154
01:56:11,750 --> 01:56:09,360
years we have

3155
01:56:13,430 --> 01:56:11,760
seemingly filmed things that seem to

3156
01:56:15,589 --> 01:56:13,440
corroborate those sightings from

3157
01:56:17,750 --> 01:56:15,599
you know the past so again it's not to

3158
01:56:20,870 --> 01:56:17,760
say necessarily that there is

3159
01:56:22,550 --> 01:56:20,880
distinctive continuity but if we look

3160
01:56:24,229 --> 01:56:22,560
at very least if we go back to the end

3161
01:56:25,910 --> 01:56:24,239
of the second world war and we look at

3162
01:56:27,350 --> 01:56:25,920
the descriptions of the objects if we

3163
01:56:29,189 --> 01:56:27,360
look at the fact that in addition to

3164
01:56:31,109 --> 01:56:29,199
anecdotal reports and sightings even

3165
01:56:32,550 --> 01:56:31,119
photographs we also have radar data that

3166
01:56:35,750 --> 01:56:32,560
sometimes corroborates them

3167
01:56:37,589 --> 01:56:35,760
there strongly suggests to me the idea

3168
01:56:39,270 --> 01:56:37,599
that there's a technological component

3169
01:56:41,109 --> 01:56:39,280
in something that's been around for many

3170
01:56:43,189 --> 01:56:41,119
years that we can't put a finger on

3171
01:56:45,109 --> 01:56:43,199
it's not something that has only come to

3172
01:56:47,270 --> 01:56:45,119
light in recent years as much of the

3173
01:56:49,910 --> 01:56:47,280
mainstream media seems to maintain

3174
01:56:51,910 --> 01:56:49,920
why do you think uh this conversation is

3175
01:56:54,070 --> 01:56:51,920
happening now

3176
01:56:55,669 --> 01:56:54,080
because footage because we've got

3177
01:56:57,189 --> 01:56:55,679
footage and people put their eyes on

3178
01:56:58,709 --> 01:56:57,199
that and they go oh look wow

3179
01:57:00,229 --> 01:56:58,719
now there's something to talk about they

3180
01:57:01,510 --> 01:57:00,239
haven't read the history

3181
01:57:03,270 --> 01:57:01,520
you know and again it's not to say that

3182
01:57:04,790 --> 01:57:03,280
these things are all alien i don't know

3183
01:57:06,149 --> 01:57:04,800
maybe they are but if people read the

3184
01:57:08,709 --> 01:57:06,159
history they will learn this is not

3185
01:57:10,390 --> 01:57:08,719
something that just popped up in 2004

3186
01:57:12,229 --> 01:57:10,400
with you know carrier strike group 11

3187
01:57:15,109 --> 01:57:12,239
out there off the pacific coast

3188
01:57:16,310 --> 01:57:15,119
well it seems that susan gao over at the

3189
01:57:20,470 --> 01:57:16,320
pentagon

3190
01:57:25,270 --> 01:57:20,480
is constantly now having to address

3191
01:57:27,990 --> 01:57:25,280
aliens et ufos flying saucers and uaps

3192
01:57:29,750 --> 01:57:28,000
and having this conversation constantly

3193
01:57:30,550 --> 01:57:29,760
now and it's never been like this in the

3194
01:57:32,950 --> 01:57:30,560
past

3195
01:57:34,470 --> 01:57:32,960
not since like rupelt and we go back to

3196
01:57:37,589 --> 01:57:34,480
the early 50s

3197
01:57:40,390 --> 01:57:37,599
where the pentagon is forced into a

3198
01:57:42,550 --> 01:57:40,400
conversation about aliens and et's

3199
01:57:44,070 --> 01:57:42,560
yeah i i have to sympathize with susan

3200
01:57:46,950 --> 01:57:44,080
goff because you know she

3201
01:57:47,430 --> 01:57:46,960
is an individual who like you say is

3202
01:57:50,790 --> 01:57:47,440
being

3203
01:57:52,550 --> 01:57:50,800
bombarded constantly she is a matter of

3204
01:57:53,589 --> 01:57:52,560
being a spokesperson for the department

3205
01:57:56,070 --> 01:57:53,599
of defense

3206
01:57:56,629 --> 01:57:56,080
and being someone who is very trained in

3207
01:57:58,229 --> 01:57:56,639
uh

3208
01:57:59,990 --> 01:57:58,239
let us call it controlled use of

3209
01:58:01,910 --> 01:58:00,000
language but also understands that she

3210
01:58:04,229 --> 01:58:01,920
has to maintain operational security by

3211
01:58:05,990 --> 01:58:04,239
what she does and does not say

3212
01:58:07,990 --> 01:58:06,000
i sympathize with her having to

3213
01:58:09,350 --> 01:58:08,000
constantly field questions from tim

3214
01:58:12,709 --> 01:58:09,360
mcmillan

3215
01:58:13,910 --> 01:58:12,719
on my show and i maintain this because i

3216
01:58:14,709 --> 01:58:13,920
work close with him and i love him to

3217
01:58:16,229 --> 01:58:14,719
death

3218
01:58:17,430 --> 01:58:16,239
i told him i said i can tell right now

3219
01:58:18,629 --> 01:58:17,440
you're the kind of guy who will never

3220
01:58:20,149 --> 01:58:18,639
stay out of trouble

3221
01:58:21,750 --> 01:58:20,159
and if i were susan goff and i was

3222
01:58:23,750 --> 01:58:21,760
getting emails from tim mcmillan asking

3223
01:58:26,390 --> 01:58:23,760
about ufos all the time you know

3224
01:58:28,149 --> 01:58:26,400
you know i think my job was pretty

3225
01:58:29,350 --> 01:58:28,159
interesting too but i know that he's not

3226
01:58:30,310 --> 01:58:29,360
the only guy who's hitting her with

3227
01:58:32,709 --> 01:58:30,320
emails

3228
01:58:34,229 --> 01:58:32,719
and you know i'm sure her existence

3229
01:58:34,709 --> 01:58:34,239
right now is as interesting as yours or

3230
01:58:36,550 --> 01:58:34,719
mine

3231
01:58:38,629 --> 01:58:36,560
but it's an interesting time to be alive

3232
01:58:40,629 --> 01:58:38,639
and be asking these questions is it not

3233
01:58:42,390 --> 01:58:40,639
do you think that we've got a minute

3234
01:58:44,390 --> 01:58:42,400
left before the break and we've got more

3235
01:58:48,149 --> 01:58:44,400
to discuss when we come back but

3236
01:58:51,510 --> 01:58:48,159
do you think that in the pentagon right

3237
01:58:55,270 --> 01:58:51,520
now there are actual discussions

3238
01:58:55,750 --> 01:58:55,280
about ufos not uaps not things that may

3239
01:58:59,270 --> 01:58:55,760
you know

3240
01:58:59,830 --> 01:58:59,280
not uni i'm talking about conversations

3241
01:59:03,510 --> 01:58:59,840
of the

3242
01:59:07,030 --> 01:59:03,520
alien kind does this actually happen

3243
01:59:09,350 --> 01:59:07,040
inside of the pentagon of course

3244
01:59:10,390 --> 01:59:09,360
i mean i'm sure it does it has since the

3245
01:59:13,589 --> 01:59:10,400
early days

3246
01:59:14,390 --> 01:59:13,599
i mean think about that famous uh back

3247
01:59:16,950 --> 01:59:14,400
in the sign

3248
01:59:18,550 --> 01:59:16,960
era which predated project blue book you

3249
01:59:19,830 --> 01:59:18,560
know when the u.s air force had project

3250
01:59:21,350 --> 01:59:19,840
sign underway

3251
01:59:23,750 --> 01:59:21,360
and they produced that famous estimate

3252
01:59:26,310 --> 01:59:23,760
of the situation i mean this was based

3253
01:59:27,990 --> 01:59:26,320
largely on a 1948 and we're short on

3254
01:59:29,830 --> 01:59:28,000
time but 1948

3255
01:59:31,510 --> 01:59:29,840
pilots charles and quitted said this

3256
01:59:33,189 --> 01:59:31,520
great big kind of rocket ship looking

3257
01:59:34,470 --> 01:59:33,199
like thing with portholes down the side

3258
01:59:35,910 --> 01:59:34,480
shooting flame out the back almost

3259
01:59:37,430 --> 01:59:35,920
collided with them

3260
01:59:38,950 --> 01:59:37,440
and they had to look at that and go what

3261
01:59:40,310 --> 01:59:38,960
in the world are we dealing with and of

3262
01:59:41,109 --> 01:59:40,320
course top brass didn't like the

3263
01:59:43,510 --> 01:59:41,119
conclusion but

3264
01:59:45,109 --> 01:59:43,520
again 1948 they said it's possible these

3265
01:59:47,189 --> 01:59:45,119
things are from someplace else that

3266
01:59:49,030 --> 01:59:47,199
possibility remains today because we

3267
01:59:50,149 --> 01:59:49,040
don't know what the phenomenon is or

3268
01:59:52,070 --> 01:59:50,159
where it comes from

3269
01:59:53,750 --> 01:59:52,080
until we establish its providence that

3270
01:59:55,430 --> 01:59:53,760
discussion will remain

3271
01:59:56,950 --> 01:59:55,440
let's take our break right here our

3272
01:59:59,350 --> 01:59:56,960
guest tonight micah hanks

3273
02:00:00,790 --> 01:59:59,360
we've got lots more to talk about we

3274
02:00:02,390 --> 02:00:00,800
will continue the discussion when we

3275
02:00:03,910 --> 02:00:02,400
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3276
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3349
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3350
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3351
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3352
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3353
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3354
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loathe bugs we keep a clean home

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3387
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3390
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3392
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3393
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3394
02:05:25,589 --> 02:05:08,239
on the game changer radio network

3395
02:05:28,790 --> 02:05:27,109
welcome back fade to black i'm neil

3396
02:05:29,430 --> 02:05:28,800
jimmy church our guest tonight micah

3397
02:05:31,109 --> 02:05:29,440
hanks

3398
02:05:32,550 --> 02:05:31,119
i want to remind everybody this week

3399
02:05:35,830 --> 02:05:32,560
tomorrow night

3400
02:05:38,149 --> 02:05:35,840
john burroughs and james aurora join us

3401
02:05:38,870 --> 02:05:38,159
uh the release of their new book that is

3402
02:05:40,870 --> 02:05:38,880
coming out

3403
02:05:42,870 --> 02:05:40,880
on the 16th on wednesday and then

3404
02:05:45,589 --> 02:05:42,880
wednesday night billy carson

3405
02:05:46,550 --> 02:05:45,599
is here to discuss his new book woke

3406
02:05:48,709 --> 02:05:46,560
doesn't mean

3407
02:05:50,629 --> 02:05:48,719
broke and thursday night is another

3408
02:05:52,550 --> 02:05:50,639
fader night with open lines all night

3409
02:05:55,270 --> 02:05:52,560
long our guest tonight micah hanks

3410
02:05:55,750 --> 02:05:55,280
and micah jumping around the headlines

3411
02:05:57,990 --> 02:05:55,760
uh

3412
02:05:58,790 --> 02:05:58,000
that that went down certainly last week

3413
02:06:01,270 --> 02:05:58,800
was

3414
02:06:02,550 --> 02:06:01,280
uh a pretty crazy one in the world of

3415
02:06:05,910 --> 02:06:02,560
ufology

3416
02:06:08,390 --> 02:06:05,920
and this article broke uh went

3417
02:06:09,910 --> 02:06:08,400
completely viral picked up on all of the

3418
02:06:12,229 --> 02:06:09,920
news uh

3419
02:06:15,109 --> 02:06:12,239
news sites around the world about this

3420
02:06:17,830 --> 02:06:15,119
israeli space security chief

3421
02:06:19,510 --> 02:06:17,840
hein heim i hope i'm saying that right

3422
02:06:24,870 --> 02:06:19,520
heim as shed

3423
02:06:27,990 --> 02:06:24,880
uh came out in the open and disclosed uh

3424
02:06:30,390 --> 02:06:28,000
a bunch of pretty crazy statements uh

3425
02:06:33,109 --> 02:06:30,400
now when you first started to see this

3426
02:06:35,910 --> 02:06:33,119
break what went through your mind

3427
02:06:39,270 --> 02:06:35,920
well not a whole lot because initially i

3428
02:06:42,310 --> 02:06:39,280
didn't pay much attention to it

3429
02:06:43,510 --> 02:06:42,320
and in fact my buddy brett tingley who

3430
02:06:46,149 --> 02:06:43,520
is a writer for the

3431
02:06:47,350 --> 02:06:46,159
war zone had uh messaged me and he says

3432
02:06:48,629 --> 02:06:47,360
you know what do you think about this he

3433
02:06:49,669 --> 02:06:48,639
says you guys covered this didn't you

3434
02:06:51,589 --> 02:06:49,679
and i said no

3435
02:06:52,870 --> 02:06:51,599
i said why would we have covered that lo

3436
02:06:54,870 --> 02:06:52,880
and behold the next morning

3437
02:06:56,470 --> 02:06:54,880
one of our freelancers dropped an

3438
02:06:57,350 --> 02:06:56,480
article about this but again he was kind

3439
02:06:59,109 --> 02:06:57,360
of looking at this

3440
02:07:00,550 --> 02:06:59,119
in a more hypothetical he took a very

3441
02:07:03,189 --> 02:07:00,560
interesting angle on it

3442
02:07:04,229 --> 02:07:03,199
colin did our author so again that was

3443
02:07:05,510 --> 02:07:04,239
kind of interesting but

3444
02:07:07,350 --> 02:07:05,520
as far as the way it was initially

3445
02:07:08,629 --> 02:07:07,360
reported by nbc news and other outlets

3446
02:07:10,069 --> 02:07:08,639
hayam ashed

3447
02:07:12,390 --> 02:07:10,079
the former head of israel's defense

3448
02:07:15,510 --> 02:07:12,400
ministries space directorate

3449
02:07:17,990 --> 02:07:15,520
had uh originally said in a

3450
02:07:19,589 --> 02:07:18,000
hebrew language interview a number of

3451
02:07:21,270 --> 02:07:19,599
things ranging from the idea that

3452
02:07:24,629 --> 02:07:21,280
there's a galactic federation

3453
02:07:27,270 --> 02:07:24,639
to the the notion that donald trump had

3454
02:07:27,830 --> 02:07:27,280
knowledge of an extraterrestrial reality

3455
02:07:29,510 --> 02:07:27,840
and

3456
02:07:31,589 --> 02:07:29,520
was on the verge of disclosing it but

3457
02:07:33,430 --> 02:07:31,599
hadn't done that for fear of causing

3458
02:07:35,750 --> 02:07:33,440
mass hysteria

3459
02:07:37,430 --> 02:07:35,760
all claims that sound remarkably similar

3460
02:07:39,510 --> 02:07:37,440
and very familiar of course

3461
02:07:41,270 --> 02:07:39,520
in the annals of literature were you

3462
02:07:43,990 --> 02:07:41,280
know related to ufos so

3463
02:07:45,830 --> 02:07:44,000
um again to me i was kind of like okay

3464
02:07:47,589 --> 02:07:45,840
here's the latest paul hellyer right you

3465
02:07:50,149 --> 02:07:47,599
know paul hellyer the former canadian

3466
02:07:51,669 --> 02:07:50,159
you know defense minister who had come

3467
02:07:53,910 --> 02:07:51,679
out and said very interesting things

3468
02:07:55,910 --> 02:07:53,920
about his perspectives on ufos but when

3469
02:07:58,390 --> 02:07:55,920
you go back and in my opinion you listen

3470
02:08:01,430 --> 02:07:58,400
to the actual interviews with him

3471
02:08:02,470 --> 02:08:01,440
i don't see so much of paul's worldview

3472
02:08:04,069 --> 02:08:02,480
being shaped by

3473
02:08:05,750 --> 02:08:04,079
you know secret documents and things

3474
02:08:08,870 --> 02:08:05,760
that he is able to use

3475
02:08:12,470 --> 02:08:08,880
to support maybe his argument

3476
02:08:14,550 --> 02:08:12,480
it seems to be more kind of akin to

3477
02:08:15,910 --> 02:08:14,560
things that to me he seems to have you

3478
02:08:17,910 --> 02:08:15,920
know picked up from reading ufo

3479
02:08:18,709 --> 02:08:17,920
literature maybe reading online things

3480
02:08:19,830 --> 02:08:18,719
like that

3481
02:08:21,830 --> 02:08:19,840
now i couldn't tell you if that's what

3482
02:08:23,030 --> 02:08:21,840
haym shed uh

3483
02:08:24,310 --> 02:08:23,040
is doing and where he got his

3484
02:08:25,030 --> 02:08:24,320
information again apparently there's

3485
02:08:27,510 --> 02:08:25,040
this

3486
02:08:29,270 --> 02:08:27,520
um i believe it's a book uh the universe

3487
02:08:30,790 --> 02:08:29,280
or or maybe that's the uh the interview

3488
02:08:32,790 --> 02:08:30,800
the universe beyond the horizon

3489
02:08:34,709 --> 02:08:32,800
conversations with professor haimashed

3490
02:08:36,229 --> 02:08:34,719
by hegar yanai

3491
02:08:37,830 --> 02:08:36,239
which was published in november i would

3492
02:08:38,950 --> 02:08:37,840
like to read that that may also just be

3493
02:08:41,669 --> 02:08:38,960
the hebrew language

3494
02:08:43,189 --> 02:08:41,679
interview with the professor but again

3495
02:08:44,229 --> 02:08:43,199
by all accounts he seems to be a very

3496
02:08:45,990 --> 02:08:44,239
well respected

3497
02:08:47,589 --> 02:08:46,000
professor why he would come out and say

3498
02:08:49,510 --> 02:08:47,599
all of these things that sound much more

3499
02:08:52,069 --> 02:08:49,520
to me like star trek

3500
02:08:53,669 --> 02:08:52,079
then current ufology and what again the

3501
02:08:56,149 --> 02:08:53,679
united states government seems to be

3502
02:08:59,350 --> 02:08:56,159
looking at with regard to uap

3503
02:09:01,830 --> 02:08:59,360
that's anybody's guess well we have uh

3504
02:09:02,790 --> 02:09:01,840
a couple of pretty bold statements by

3505
02:09:05,589 --> 02:09:02,800
heim

3506
02:09:07,589 --> 02:09:05,599
one of them that there is an existing

3507
02:09:10,910 --> 02:09:07,599
underground base on mars

3508
02:09:13,830 --> 02:09:10,920
right with uh both earthlings and

3509
02:09:15,990 --> 02:09:13,840
extraterrestrials uh coexisting

3510
02:09:18,229 --> 02:09:16,000
in this underground base on mars now

3511
02:09:20,310 --> 02:09:18,239
where do we go

3512
02:09:22,149 --> 02:09:20,320
and and there's one other statement well

3513
02:09:23,270 --> 02:09:22,159
there's two or three here that i pointed

3514
02:09:25,589 --> 02:09:23,280
out last week

3515
02:09:28,709 --> 02:09:25,599
um but one of them uh one of the

3516
02:09:31,189 --> 02:09:28,719
statements that he made and coming from

3517
02:09:31,990 --> 02:09:31,199
somebody with awards and diplomas and

3518
02:09:38,390 --> 02:09:32,000
and

3519
02:09:39,589 --> 02:09:38,400
not only his government but universities

3520
02:09:44,390 --> 02:09:39,599
around the world

3521
02:09:47,589 --> 02:09:44,400
um to say that the unidentified flying

3522
02:09:48,149 --> 02:09:47,599
objects that's how he calls the aliens

3523
02:09:51,270 --> 02:09:48,159
right

3524
02:09:52,069 --> 02:09:51,280
the unidentified flying objects don't

3525
02:09:55,510 --> 02:09:52,079
want this

3526
02:09:58,390 --> 02:09:55,520
disclosed just yet it's kind of a weird

3527
02:10:00,550 --> 02:09:58,400
statement to come from somebody educated

3528
02:10:01,750 --> 02:10:00,560
yeah i'm trying to remember where that

3529
02:10:03,750 --> 02:10:01,760
comes from

3530
02:10:05,350 --> 02:10:03,760
um or very least where i saw something

3531
02:10:07,350 --> 02:10:05,360
similar it's not related to what uh

3532
02:10:09,270 --> 02:10:07,360
professor ashed is saying but

3533
02:10:11,270 --> 02:10:09,280
uh i had read about maybe it was just

3534
02:10:12,709 --> 02:10:11,280
speculation on part of a scientist i'm

3535
02:10:13,910 --> 02:10:12,719
trying to remember maybe it'll come to

3536
02:10:15,350 --> 02:10:13,920
me here in a moment but i do remember

3537
02:10:16,629 --> 02:10:15,360
what he said and the

3538
02:10:19,030 --> 02:10:16,639
the you know the main thrust of the

3539
02:10:21,270 --> 02:10:19,040
argument had been what if

3540
02:10:23,430 --> 02:10:21,280
the ufo naughts you know if the

3541
02:10:25,589 --> 02:10:23,440
operators behind the phenomenon

3542
02:10:27,270 --> 02:10:25,599
they do want to interact with us but

3543
02:10:29,589 --> 02:10:27,280
they want to do so

3544
02:10:30,310 --> 02:10:29,599
gradually so as to go through this sort

3545
02:10:35,350 --> 02:10:30,320
of

3546
02:10:39,189 --> 02:10:35,360
presence so that humans do not react

3547
02:10:40,629 --> 02:10:39,199
violently do not react with fear

3548
02:10:42,870 --> 02:10:40,639
because that could be problematic for

3549
02:10:45,350 --> 02:10:42,880
the occupants now

3550
02:10:47,430 --> 02:10:45,360
again it could be i mean if we want to

3551
02:10:48,950 --> 02:10:47,440
go you know full-blown conspiracy here

3552
02:10:50,069 --> 02:10:48,960
and i'm not saying this is what i think

3553
02:10:53,669 --> 02:10:50,079
is going on but i mean

3554
02:10:54,870 --> 02:10:53,679
lately admittedly jimmy i gotta say and

3555
02:10:56,069 --> 02:10:54,880
i think you're just the kind of guy with

3556
02:10:57,589 --> 02:10:56,079
your opening monologue tonight

3557
02:11:00,069 --> 02:10:57,599
talking about conspiracies you're just

3558
02:11:02,310 --> 02:11:00,079
the guy to share this idea with

3559
02:11:03,990 --> 02:11:02,320
at some point and this is this keeps

3560
02:11:05,350 --> 02:11:04,000
going through my head we have to get

3561
02:11:06,950 --> 02:11:05,360
back around to saying

3562
02:11:09,350 --> 02:11:06,960
we can look at ufos all night and say

3563
02:11:12,629 --> 02:11:09,360
what are ufos what might they represent

3564
02:11:13,669 --> 02:11:12,639
what could ufos be well at some point if

3565
02:11:15,510 --> 02:11:13,679
we rec if

3566
02:11:16,709 --> 02:11:15,520
we recognize ufos as being an

3567
02:11:20,470 --> 02:11:16,719
intelligence

3568
02:11:22,550 --> 02:11:20,480
or a intelligently controlled technology

3569
02:11:23,750 --> 02:11:22,560
again who are the operators right even

3570
02:11:26,149 --> 02:11:23,760
if that that dog

3571
02:11:27,990 --> 02:11:26,159
fight you know up there over michigan

3572
02:11:29,350 --> 02:11:28,000
you know involved something more akin to

3573
02:11:31,510 --> 02:11:29,360
a drone

3574
02:11:33,189 --> 02:11:31,520
something the size of a tic tac right

3575
02:11:35,030 --> 02:11:33,199
that's big enough to have occupants

3576
02:11:36,069 --> 02:11:35,040
something like these big triangles that

3577
02:11:37,750 --> 02:11:36,079
are described

3578
02:11:40,470 --> 02:11:37,760
certainly large enough to potentially

3579
02:11:42,069 --> 02:11:40,480
carry you know maybe an entire crew

3580
02:11:44,069 --> 02:11:42,079
so we have to get around asking

3581
02:11:45,750 --> 02:11:44,079
ourselves you know what is the source

3582
02:11:47,910 --> 02:11:45,760
behind it what are the occupants

3583
02:11:49,189 --> 02:11:47,920
and what is the best evidence that might

3584
02:11:50,709 --> 02:11:49,199
indicate

3585
02:11:52,229 --> 02:11:50,719
whatever that reality may be and you

3586
02:11:52,950 --> 02:11:52,239
know something that keeps coming back to

3587
02:11:56,229 --> 02:11:52,960
me

3588
02:11:57,510 --> 02:11:56,239
in my mind is travis walton you know

3589
02:11:58,550 --> 02:11:57,520
you've met and talked with travis over

3590
02:12:01,270 --> 02:11:58,560
yesterday many times

3591
02:12:03,109 --> 02:12:01,280
many times i i you know i have had lunch

3592
02:12:06,709 --> 02:12:03,119
with him i've sat there and talked with

3593
02:12:08,470 --> 02:12:06,719
travis you know at after hours parties

3594
02:12:10,709 --> 02:12:08,480
more often than not we don't talk about

3595
02:12:11,910 --> 02:12:10,719
ufos or his experience but i mean i went

3596
02:12:14,709 --> 02:12:11,920
back and i

3597
02:12:15,510 --> 02:12:14,719
listened to him the other night in a in

3598
02:12:17,510 --> 02:12:15,520
an interview

3599
02:12:18,950 --> 02:12:17,520
just going really deeply into detail

3600
02:12:20,709 --> 02:12:18,960
about what happened and i'm thinking you

3601
02:12:24,069 --> 02:12:20,719
know if this is all

3602
02:12:26,629 --> 02:12:24,079
a true real experience that he had

3603
02:12:27,910 --> 02:12:26,639
and as far as claims of abductions and

3604
02:12:29,350 --> 02:12:27,920
things like that go

3605
02:12:30,950 --> 02:12:29,360
you know i mean i'm pretty skeptical of

3606
02:12:31,830 --> 02:12:30,960
the majority of them but as far as those

3607
02:12:34,790 --> 02:12:31,840
go

3608
02:12:36,390 --> 02:12:34,800
i mean his there is more that supports

3609
02:12:38,390 --> 02:12:36,400
it again as far as people who

3610
02:12:40,149 --> 02:12:38,400
were additional witnesses who actually

3611
02:12:41,910 --> 02:12:40,159
saw him run up under an aircraft

3612
02:12:43,910 --> 02:12:41,920
that they couldn't identify he was

3613
02:12:46,550 --> 02:12:43,920
actually missing for several days

3614
02:12:48,229 --> 02:12:46,560
if what he's saying is true you know i

3615
02:12:49,910 --> 02:12:48,239
mean it really raises some interesting

3616
02:12:51,830 --> 02:12:49,920
questions about what this phenomenon may

3617
02:12:53,270 --> 02:12:51,840
actually represent so i keep coming back

3618
02:12:54,470 --> 02:12:53,280
to that and going

3619
02:12:56,390 --> 02:12:54,480
we're going to have to get back around

3620
02:12:59,510 --> 02:12:56,400
at some point to recognizing

3621
02:13:01,030 --> 02:12:59,520
there is some sort of control behind the

3622
02:13:02,470 --> 02:13:01,040
phenomenon these things don't just show

3623
02:13:04,310 --> 02:13:02,480
up you know unless they're like

3624
02:13:07,030 --> 02:13:04,320
transformers you know and the ufos

3625
02:13:09,189 --> 02:13:07,040
themselves are actually autonomous ai

3626
02:13:10,069 --> 02:13:09,199
that they are actual intelligences

3627
02:13:12,790 --> 02:13:10,079
themselves

3628
02:13:13,430 --> 02:13:12,800
who knows but again i don't know and so

3629
02:13:15,270 --> 02:13:13,440
i hear

3630
02:13:17,589 --> 02:13:15,280
hayam a shed saying all these things

3631
02:13:19,750 --> 02:13:17,599
about you know all these crazy ideas

3632
02:13:21,189 --> 02:13:19,760
there is a part of me jimmy that goes

3633
02:13:22,709 --> 02:13:21,199
well i don't know i

3634
02:13:24,550 --> 02:13:22,719
i have to at least entertain the

3635
02:13:25,189 --> 02:13:24,560
possibility you know i don't think it's

3636
02:13:28,550 --> 02:13:25,199
likely

3637
02:13:31,669 --> 02:13:28,560
but you never know i'm impressed

3638
02:13:32,550 --> 02:13:31,679
that you just watched me sneeze on the

3639
02:13:34,790 --> 02:13:32,560
air

3640
02:13:36,470 --> 02:13:34,800
the audience didn't hear it i hit the

3641
02:13:39,510 --> 02:13:36,480
mute button in time

3642
02:13:41,910 --> 02:13:39,520
you didn't skip a beat well done man you

3643
02:13:45,910 --> 02:13:43,830
that's okay i had to i had to vamp for

3644
02:13:49,189 --> 02:13:45,920
you but that was that was pretty good

3645
02:13:52,229 --> 02:13:49,199
um but when

3646
02:13:53,910 --> 02:13:52,239
when a shed makes this statement and i i

3647
02:13:55,030 --> 02:13:53,920
feel another sneeze coming on so if

3648
02:13:57,669 --> 02:13:55,040
there is a silent

3649
02:13:58,870 --> 02:13:57,679
uh break you guys know what happened um

3650
02:14:02,229 --> 02:13:58,880
when the shed said

3651
02:14:03,109 --> 02:14:02,239
we are here because uh communicating

3652
02:14:05,270 --> 02:14:03,119
with you because

3653
02:14:06,709 --> 02:14:05,280
we are trying to figure out the fabric

3654
02:14:09,910 --> 02:14:06,719
of space

3655
02:14:13,030 --> 02:14:09,920
it's like wait a minute you you got

3656
02:14:14,950 --> 02:14:13,040
here yeah i think you've already got

3657
02:14:18,709 --> 02:14:14,960
that part figured out

3658
02:14:21,109 --> 02:14:18,719
you're talking to uh the wrong

3659
02:14:22,069 --> 02:14:21,119
race of space beings if you're trying to

3660
02:14:25,030 --> 02:14:22,079
get the answers

3661
02:14:26,069 --> 02:14:25,040
uh to the fabric of space so the

3662
02:14:29,270 --> 02:14:26,079
comparisons to

3663
02:14:30,310 --> 02:14:29,280
hell year i i think are valid in that it

3664
02:14:33,589 --> 02:14:30,320
feels to me

3665
02:14:35,430 --> 02:14:33,599
that a shed is just doing some armchair

3666
02:14:38,870 --> 02:14:35,440
research on the net

3667
02:14:41,430 --> 02:14:38,880
and he's just repeating what he has read

3668
02:14:42,149 --> 02:14:41,440
that has been out there in ufology for

3669
02:14:44,550 --> 02:14:42,159
for decades

3670
02:14:45,830 --> 02:14:44,560
this isn't anything new yeah i wonder

3671
02:14:47,750 --> 02:14:45,840
sometimes too about

3672
02:14:49,430 --> 02:14:47,760
the fact that it was initially published

3673
02:14:52,310 --> 02:14:49,440
in the hebrew language i mean was there

3674
02:14:54,870 --> 02:14:52,320
any kind of translational issues yes

3675
02:14:56,069 --> 02:14:54,880
you know something that he said maybe he

3676
02:14:58,149 --> 02:14:56,079
phrased it as

3677
02:14:59,669 --> 02:14:58,159
take for example a hypothetical

3678
02:15:01,109 --> 02:14:59,679
situation where we have a galactic

3679
02:15:03,270 --> 02:15:01,119
federation and then when that

3680
02:15:04,310 --> 02:15:03,280
gets you know quoted selectively and

3681
02:15:06,950 --> 02:15:04,320
translated

3682
02:15:07,430 --> 02:15:06,960
only in part again everybody runs with

3683
02:15:09,189 --> 02:15:07,440
it

3684
02:15:10,390 --> 02:15:09,199
i'm also seeing in the article from nbc

3685
02:15:11,030 --> 02:15:10,400
the other day about this though where

3686
02:15:15,430 --> 02:15:11,040
they're

3687
02:15:17,510 --> 02:15:15,440
spokesperson for the pentagon declined

3688
02:15:21,189 --> 02:15:17,520
to comment poor girl

3689
02:15:24,470 --> 02:15:21,199
she's getting it from every side man and

3690
02:15:25,270 --> 02:15:24,480
what what's the danger uh that we have

3691
02:15:29,189 --> 02:15:25,280
here where

3692
02:15:31,910 --> 02:15:29,199
there are so many in the ufo community

3693
02:15:32,870 --> 02:15:31,920
that that needs confirmation from those

3694
02:15:34,950 --> 02:15:32,880
on high

3695
02:15:36,069 --> 02:15:34,960
right and something like this comes out

3696
02:15:39,189 --> 02:15:36,079
and it is

3697
02:15:40,870 --> 02:15:39,199
immediately taken uh as gospel

3698
02:15:42,790 --> 02:15:40,880
right and they are running with this

3699
02:15:44,310 --> 02:15:42,800
what's the danger in that

3700
02:15:45,910 --> 02:15:44,320
okay you raise a really interesting

3701
02:15:47,830 --> 02:15:45,920
point right there jimmy you know

3702
02:15:50,470 --> 02:15:47,840
the fact that people seem to have to

3703
02:15:53,510 --> 02:15:50,480
think that it has to come from

3704
02:15:55,830 --> 02:15:53,520
government or again from some person in

3705
02:15:57,350 --> 02:15:55,840
an official capacity for it to be of

3706
02:15:58,950 --> 02:15:57,360
significance

3707
02:16:00,550 --> 02:15:58,960
again this is a big issue i have and

3708
02:16:01,430 --> 02:16:00,560
that may sound very strange coming from

3709
02:16:03,589 --> 02:16:01,440
a guy you know who

3710
02:16:04,950 --> 02:16:03,599
is one of the co-founders of the debrief

3711
02:16:05,669 --> 02:16:04,960
and we just dropped these articles of

3712
02:16:07,109 --> 02:16:05,679
course with

3713
02:16:09,030 --> 02:16:07,119
you know again with tim's piece being

3714
02:16:10,870 --> 02:16:09,040
one of the most significant updates on

3715
02:16:11,510 --> 02:16:10,880
the current state of affairs with regard

3716
02:16:14,950 --> 02:16:11,520
to the uap

3717
02:16:17,589 --> 02:16:14,960
task force again i have full respect for

3718
02:16:18,629 --> 02:16:17,599
government efforts to try and solve this

3719
02:16:21,270 --> 02:16:18,639
phenomenon

3720
02:16:22,229 --> 02:16:21,280
or to study and assess it i would like

3721
02:16:23,589 --> 02:16:22,239
for them to do that

3722
02:16:25,750 --> 02:16:23,599
you know neil degrasse tyson when he

3723
02:16:27,189 --> 02:16:25,760
appeared on cnn in 2017

3724
02:16:29,030 --> 02:16:27,199
was saying the same thing i'm an

3725
02:16:30,629 --> 02:16:29,040
astronomer i look at stars i don't look

3726
02:16:32,230 --> 02:16:30,639
at this but whatever this is i hope the

3727
02:16:34,389 --> 02:16:32,240
government's looking at it again i share

3728
02:16:37,270 --> 02:16:34,399
that contention but

3729
02:16:38,070 --> 02:16:37,280
what worries me a little is that again

3730
02:16:39,830 --> 02:16:38,080
if

3731
02:16:41,349 --> 02:16:39,840
what the photograph we've discussed

3732
02:16:43,429 --> 02:16:41,359
earlier ends up being

3733
02:16:45,110 --> 02:16:43,439
uh you know a balloon as i suspect it

3734
02:16:46,950 --> 02:16:45,120
could be you know

3735
02:16:48,709 --> 02:16:46,960
does that necessarily convey that

3736
02:16:50,709 --> 02:16:48,719
government is uh

3737
02:16:52,469 --> 02:16:50,719
the best in terms of being well equipped

3738
02:16:54,469 --> 02:16:52,479
at trying to study this

3739
02:16:55,990 --> 02:16:54,479
a thought that has crossed my mind a few

3740
02:16:57,429 --> 02:16:56,000
times

3741
02:17:00,309 --> 02:16:57,439
would there be benefit to having

3742
02:17:02,469 --> 02:17:00,319
civilian ufo researchers who are well

3743
02:17:03,509 --> 02:17:02,479
read on aspects of the historical

3744
02:17:05,429 --> 02:17:03,519
context

3745
02:17:06,790 --> 02:17:05,439
scientific applications you know

3746
02:17:09,750 --> 02:17:06,800
scientific studies current

3747
02:17:10,549 --> 02:17:09,760
and past you know sociological

3748
02:17:13,270 --> 02:17:10,559
implications

3749
02:17:14,070 --> 02:17:13,280
cultural aspects related to all this

3750
02:17:16,549 --> 02:17:14,080
psychological

3751
02:17:18,549 --> 02:17:16,559
components you know would it be of

3752
02:17:20,709 --> 02:17:18,559
benefit to have civilian

3753
02:17:23,190 --> 02:17:20,719
but qualified civilians who might be

3754
02:17:25,349 --> 02:17:23,200
able to work in an advisory capacity

3755
02:17:26,950 --> 02:17:25,359
you know have them help government

3756
02:17:27,349 --> 02:17:26,960
officials who again somebody who's been

3757
02:17:29,750 --> 02:17:27,359
in a

3758
02:17:31,429 --> 02:17:29,760
you know a position where they are a

3759
02:17:32,629 --> 02:17:31,439
counterintelligence officer you know

3760
02:17:34,389 --> 02:17:32,639
they may have served in

3761
02:17:35,750 --> 02:17:34,399
iraq or afghanistan and all of a sudden

3762
02:17:36,790 --> 02:17:35,760
they they have a desk job at the

3763
02:17:39,429 --> 02:17:36,800
pentagon

3764
02:17:41,110 --> 02:17:39,439
you know this a hypothetical situation

3765
02:17:42,709 --> 02:17:41,120
but again they find themselves being

3766
02:17:44,629 --> 02:17:42,719
handed a folder and saying figure out

3767
02:17:46,549 --> 02:17:44,639
what these things are

3768
02:17:48,870 --> 02:17:46,559
my point is that individual in that

3769
02:17:50,549 --> 02:17:48,880
scenario may not be a ufo researcher or

3770
02:17:52,629 --> 02:17:50,559
a person who's even per se

3771
02:17:53,589 --> 02:17:52,639
interested in this but they find

3772
02:17:55,110 --> 02:17:53,599
themselves in a very

3773
02:17:57,509 --> 02:17:55,120
unique and precarious situation where

3774
02:17:59,830 --> 02:17:57,519
they're being asked figure out something

3775
02:18:01,110 --> 02:17:59,840
that no one in history has been able to

3776
02:18:03,509 --> 02:18:01,120
solve

3777
02:18:05,190 --> 02:18:03,519
here's a folder you know again i would

3778
02:18:06,950 --> 02:18:05,200
hope they would have more resources

3779
02:18:08,549 --> 02:18:06,960
on hand but if they don't and if they

3780
02:18:11,030 --> 02:18:08,559
aren't necessarily

3781
02:18:12,389 --> 02:18:11,040
someone who is well read on the subject

3782
02:18:13,830 --> 02:18:12,399
they have a limited amount of time and

3783
02:18:15,030 --> 02:18:13,840
resources in terms of getting up to

3784
02:18:18,309 --> 02:18:15,040
speed on it

3785
02:18:19,990 --> 02:18:18,319
should the public be prepared to accept

3786
02:18:21,589 --> 02:18:20,000
the other pop you know possibility that

3787
02:18:24,469 --> 02:18:21,599
maybe government

3788
02:18:26,469 --> 02:18:24,479
is not going to be the source of some

3789
02:18:27,589 --> 02:18:26,479
grand disclosure or something like that

3790
02:18:29,509 --> 02:18:27,599
that we should

3791
02:18:31,669 --> 02:18:29,519
be very careful about putting

3792
02:18:32,709 --> 02:18:31,679
officialdom up on some pedestal and

3793
02:18:34,709 --> 02:18:32,719
expecting

3794
02:18:36,230 --> 02:18:34,719
that they have all the answers i have

3795
02:18:38,230 --> 02:18:36,240
often wondered if the

3796
02:18:40,230 --> 02:18:38,240
sum total of the collective knowledge of

3797
02:18:41,030 --> 02:18:40,240
the ufo community on the civilian side

3798
02:18:43,349 --> 02:18:41,040
of things

3799
02:18:44,629 --> 02:18:43,359
might not far exceed anything really

3800
02:18:46,070 --> 02:18:44,639
that government has now i'm sure that

3801
02:18:46,709 --> 02:18:46,080
there are some things government has

3802
02:18:48,950 --> 02:18:46,719
about this

3803
02:18:50,709 --> 02:18:48,960
topic that have you know this hasn't

3804
02:18:52,389 --> 02:18:50,719
been released to the public

3805
02:18:54,549 --> 02:18:52,399
and you know we're in the dark about but

3806
02:18:55,509 --> 02:18:54,559
i mean would that however significant it

3807
02:18:57,030 --> 02:18:55,519
is

3808
02:18:58,950 --> 02:18:57,040
outweigh everything that we've already

3809
02:19:00,150 --> 02:18:58,960
collected over decades of civilian

3810
02:19:01,669 --> 02:19:00,160
research and some of that actually

3811
02:19:03,429 --> 02:19:01,679
drawing from government sources like

3812
02:19:04,070 --> 02:19:03,439
blue book i'm just not so sure that it

3813
02:19:07,030 --> 02:19:04,080
would

3814
02:19:08,230 --> 02:19:07,040
well you bring up a good point because

3815
02:19:12,309 --> 02:19:08,240
everything that a

3816
02:19:16,469 --> 02:19:12,319
shed said in these statements

3817
02:19:17,750 --> 02:19:16,479
uh were each statement was missing one

3818
02:19:21,349 --> 02:19:17,760
key

3819
02:19:25,270 --> 02:19:21,359
thing i he didn't

3820
02:19:26,070 --> 02:19:25,280
say i saw the evidence of an underground

3821
02:19:29,429 --> 02:19:26,080
base

3822
02:19:31,830 --> 02:19:29,439
that we have on mars he didn't say i was

3823
02:19:33,750 --> 02:19:31,840
part of the negotiations with israel in

3824
02:19:34,790 --> 02:19:33,760
the united states with the galactic

3825
02:19:37,589 --> 02:19:34,800
federation

3826
02:19:39,830 --> 02:19:37,599
he didn't say this he didn't say i have

3827
02:19:40,469 --> 02:19:39,840
seen the evidence that i was part of

3828
02:19:43,750 --> 02:19:40,479
this

3829
02:19:46,870 --> 02:19:43,760
no everything was suggested in

3830
02:19:49,270 --> 02:19:46,880
the third person right and so it fell

3831
02:19:50,550 --> 02:19:49,280
short of that but the ufo community

3832
02:19:53,510 --> 02:19:50,560
doesn't want to

3833
02:19:55,830 --> 02:19:53,520
look you know further into this and and

3834
02:19:58,230 --> 02:19:55,840
try to use some discernment instead

3835
02:19:59,910 --> 02:19:58,240
it's just this watershed moment that

3836
02:20:01,110 --> 02:19:59,920
we've got a government official coming

3837
02:20:03,429 --> 02:20:01,120
out saying that we're

3838
02:20:05,510 --> 02:20:03,439
hanging out with e.t and i just find

3839
02:20:07,270 --> 02:20:05,520
that very very interesting

3840
02:20:08,870 --> 02:20:07,280
yeah it is and you know i mean there are

3841
02:20:11,110 --> 02:20:08,880
several ways one could interpret it but

3842
02:20:13,110 --> 02:20:11,120
again i think you know you point out

3843
02:20:14,710 --> 02:20:13,120
i don't want the ufo community to hate

3844
02:20:16,309 --> 02:20:14,720
us but i mean in fairness i will

3845
02:20:17,590 --> 02:20:16,319
actually say that many people operating

3846
02:20:20,150 --> 02:20:17,600
on twitter who

3847
02:20:21,910 --> 02:20:20,160
count themselves among the ufo community

3848
02:20:23,670 --> 02:20:21,920
their fairly recent arrivals a lot of

3849
02:20:25,270 --> 02:20:23,680
them are i mean a lot of people really

3850
02:20:26,550 --> 02:20:25,280
got interested in this

3851
02:20:29,349 --> 02:20:26,560
you know once there was something to

3852
02:20:31,190 --> 02:20:29,359
talk about uh you know blessed are those

3853
02:20:32,070 --> 02:20:31,200
who were interested before there was all

3854
02:20:34,469 --> 02:20:32,080
of this

3855
02:20:36,070 --> 02:20:34,479
you know revelatory news but again my

3856
02:20:37,349 --> 02:20:36,080
whole thing jimmy i would love to see us

3857
02:20:38,790 --> 02:20:37,359
get beyond

3858
02:20:40,870 --> 02:20:38,800
and i've told tim and ninja this we've

3859
02:20:41,750 --> 02:20:40,880
had many uh lengthy conversations the

3860
02:20:45,349 --> 02:20:41,760
three of us

3861
02:20:47,750 --> 02:20:45,359
about this there we have to get to a

3862
02:20:50,630 --> 02:20:47,760
point where we get beyond having to

3863
02:20:52,389 --> 02:20:50,640
expect revelations in order to have a

3864
02:20:55,590 --> 02:20:52,399
meaningful dialogue about

3865
02:20:57,510 --> 02:20:55,600
ufos i think that the public has become

3866
02:20:59,750 --> 02:20:57,520
especially since 2017

3867
02:21:01,910 --> 02:20:59,760
but really it's been here you know in

3868
02:21:03,830 --> 02:21:01,920
our midst far longer than that

3869
02:21:06,070 --> 02:21:03,840
the public has been conditioned to

3870
02:21:07,590 --> 02:21:06,080
expect revelations

3871
02:21:08,630 --> 02:21:07,600
we're going to have disclosure they're

3872
02:21:09,830 --> 02:21:08,640
going to tell us what happened at

3873
02:21:11,750 --> 02:21:09,840
roswell

3874
02:21:12,870 --> 02:21:11,760
yeah the uap task force will release its

3875
02:21:15,590 --> 02:21:12,880
report

3876
02:21:16,469 --> 02:21:15,600
you know grand disclosures about atip

3877
02:21:19,590 --> 02:21:16,479
all sap

3878
02:21:20,790 --> 02:21:19,600
what have you you know at some point

3879
02:21:21,190 --> 02:21:20,800
we're gonna have to realize that you

3880
02:21:23,590 --> 02:21:21,200
know

3881
02:21:25,429 --> 02:21:23,600
when we run out of disclosures when we

3882
02:21:26,870 --> 02:21:25,439
run out of revelations there's still

3883
02:21:27,429 --> 02:21:26,880
going to be a phenomenon that we have

3884
02:21:28,710 --> 02:21:27,439
not

3885
02:21:31,110 --> 02:21:28,720
you know put a finger on we haven't

3886
02:21:33,190 --> 02:21:31,120
solved it yet what do we do when we get

3887
02:21:34,950 --> 02:21:33,200
to the point where we're like okay

3888
02:21:37,830 --> 02:21:34,960
we're going to try some unique uh

3889
02:21:40,469 --> 02:21:37,840
interferometry and also uh spectroscopy

3890
02:21:42,070 --> 02:21:40,479
this weekend where we try to discern

3891
02:21:44,230 --> 02:21:42,080
if we if we can figure out if we can

3892
02:21:44,790 --> 02:21:44,240
break apart some of the bandwidths of

3893
02:21:47,270 --> 02:21:44,800
light

3894
02:21:49,270 --> 02:21:47,280
uh if of course this all a contingent on

3895
02:21:50,790 --> 02:21:49,280
whether the phenomenon shows up and it

3896
02:21:52,790 --> 02:21:50,800
usually doesn't but we're gonna go out

3897
02:21:54,230 --> 02:21:52,800
there and stand on a hillside and freeze

3898
02:21:56,630 --> 02:21:54,240
and hope it does

3899
02:21:58,550 --> 02:21:56,640
that's not the fun side of ufology is it

3900
02:22:00,469 --> 02:21:58,560
no nobody wants to stand out there and

3901
02:22:02,070 --> 02:22:00,479
and freeze their butt off you know

3902
02:22:03,190 --> 02:22:02,080
waiting to see if something shows up but

3903
02:22:04,630 --> 02:22:03,200
let me tell you

3904
02:22:06,070 --> 02:22:04,640
if science is going to be applied to

3905
02:22:06,389 --> 02:22:06,080
this is going to have to be some of that

3906
02:22:09,429 --> 02:22:06,399
right

3907
02:22:12,550 --> 02:22:09,439
it has to be and i listen

3908
02:22:16,150 --> 02:22:12,560
micah um i i've had a lot of sightings

3909
02:22:17,830 --> 02:22:16,160
but i had two very significant sightings

3910
02:22:19,990 --> 02:22:17,840
i'm not going to get into the details

3911
02:22:21,270 --> 02:22:20,000
now but one obviously the the green

3912
02:22:25,670 --> 02:22:21,280
chrome balls

3913
02:22:27,590 --> 02:22:25,680
um i saw that with a 100 150 200 other

3914
02:22:30,710 --> 02:22:27,600
people we all witnessed it together

3915
02:22:33,190 --> 02:22:30,720
i went public very public on

3916
02:22:34,870 --> 02:22:33,200
on all of my media platforms discussing

3917
02:22:37,510 --> 02:22:34,880
this the other one was the uh

3918
02:22:40,070 --> 02:22:37,520
the beer can uh which was a couple of

3919
02:22:43,429 --> 02:22:40,080
years ago again daytime sighting

3920
02:22:45,750 --> 02:22:43,439
400 500 foot tall object comes out

3921
02:22:47,030 --> 02:22:45,760
there it is we all see it i've got 20 or

3922
02:22:49,190 --> 02:22:47,040
30 witnesses

3923
02:22:51,110 --> 02:22:49,200
we all see it and then it it phased out

3924
02:22:53,190 --> 02:22:51,120
and disappeared in the blue sky

3925
02:22:54,230 --> 02:22:53,200
i can't explain that but let me just say

3926
02:22:57,590 --> 02:22:54,240
this

3927
02:23:01,190 --> 02:22:57,600
not one media organization

3928
02:23:05,510 --> 02:23:01,200
approached me not one government

3929
02:23:09,349 --> 02:23:05,520
investigate nothing total silence

3930
02:23:11,349 --> 02:23:09,359
as as as uh credible

3931
02:23:12,950 --> 02:23:11,359
as anything else that and i'm talking

3932
02:23:13,429 --> 02:23:12,960
about favor anything else you want to

3933
02:23:16,389 --> 02:23:13,439
mention

3934
02:23:17,190 --> 02:23:16,399
this these two incidents happen with

3935
02:23:20,309 --> 02:23:17,200
with

3936
02:23:24,790 --> 02:23:20,319
multiple multiple witnesses nobody

3937
02:23:28,070 --> 02:23:24,800
nobody nobody was concerned and uh

3938
02:23:30,309 --> 02:23:28,080
as as credible as fravor or

3939
02:23:31,510 --> 02:23:30,319
or chad underwood or anybody else that's

3940
02:23:34,710 --> 02:23:31,520
going to come forward

3941
02:23:36,790 --> 02:23:34,720
that's great and that's what led uh

3942
02:23:38,950 --> 02:23:36,800
to the significance of those three

3943
02:23:39,910 --> 02:23:38,960
videos it was the pilot's testimony that

3944
02:23:41,349 --> 02:23:39,920
supported that

3945
02:23:42,950 --> 02:23:41,359
and we turn around and we have these

3946
02:23:46,870 --> 02:23:42,960
sightings nothing

3947
02:23:48,950 --> 02:23:46,880
crickets and the civilian side is just

3948
02:23:50,230 --> 02:23:48,960
as important as anything else micah it's

3949
02:23:52,070 --> 02:23:50,240
a great point

3950
02:23:54,550 --> 02:23:52,080
it certainly is and again you look at

3951
02:23:55,830 --> 02:23:54,560
the years and years of research that you

3952
02:23:57,670 --> 02:23:55,840
know again the late great stanton

3953
02:23:59,190 --> 02:23:57,680
friedman good buddy of ours in fact you

3954
02:24:00,070 --> 02:23:59,200
know you and i had i think one time when

3955
02:24:01,510 --> 02:24:00,080
we had dinner

3956
02:24:03,429 --> 02:24:01,520
he was there with us having dinner in

3957
02:24:05,190 --> 02:24:03,439
fact uh but you think about research

3958
02:24:08,070 --> 02:24:05,200
that guys like stanton did and

3959
02:24:08,469 --> 02:24:08,080
you know that many today continue to do

3960
02:24:10,469 --> 02:24:08,479
uh

3961
02:24:12,150 --> 02:24:10,479
those civilian stories to me are far

3962
02:24:14,389 --> 02:24:12,160
more interesting than the government

3963
02:24:16,710 --> 02:24:14,399
stories and again i recognize

3964
02:24:19,590 --> 02:24:16,720
why people ascribe such significance to

3965
02:24:20,630 --> 02:24:19,600
the government side of things but i mean

3966
02:24:23,990 --> 02:24:20,640
i don't know that they should

3967
02:24:27,110 --> 02:24:24,000
necessarily be they they should not

3968
02:24:28,230 --> 02:24:27,120
they should not be placed in a category

3969
02:24:30,550 --> 02:24:28,240
apart from

3970
02:24:31,349 --> 02:24:30,560
distinct from and for some reason

3971
02:24:35,349 --> 02:24:31,359
thereby

3972
02:24:37,510 --> 02:24:35,359
significance

3973
02:24:39,190 --> 02:24:37,520
that we append to the civilian sightings

3974
02:24:40,710 --> 02:24:39,200
you know a gentleman named andy wrote to

3975
02:24:42,389 --> 02:24:40,720
me a while back he was a

3976
02:24:44,630 --> 02:24:42,399
flight attendant on an aircraft that was

3977
02:24:46,469 --> 02:24:44,640
uh an uh international flight flying out

3978
02:24:50,070 --> 02:24:46,479
of glasgow a number of years ago

3979
02:24:52,070 --> 02:24:50,080
enroute to the northern united states um

3980
02:24:53,429 --> 02:24:52,080
he said that as they were flying along

3981
02:24:55,030 --> 02:24:53,439
he noticed a lot of the passengers

3982
02:24:56,550 --> 02:24:55,040
looking out the windows

3983
02:24:58,070 --> 02:24:56,560
of this passenger jet and he had made

3984
02:24:59,270 --> 02:24:58,080
some comment about what was going on

3985
02:25:01,670 --> 02:24:59,280
outside and a fella

3986
02:25:03,190 --> 02:25:01,680
with a beard from uh scotland with a

3987
02:25:04,870 --> 02:25:03,200
thick accent turns and looks at him and

3988
02:25:06,630 --> 02:25:04,880
says you tell us

3989
02:25:07,910 --> 02:25:06,640
and andy uh comes over and he looks out

3990
02:25:09,590 --> 02:25:07,920
one of the windows and he says

3991
02:25:10,950 --> 02:25:09,600
as they're flying over the atlantic in

3992
02:25:13,910 --> 02:25:10,960
the broad daylight of

3993
02:25:15,670 --> 02:25:13,920
early morning this massive black

3994
02:25:17,750 --> 02:25:15,680
triangle with

3995
02:25:19,429 --> 02:25:17,760
a light at each of the three corners

3996
02:25:19,910 --> 02:25:19,439
does that sound familiar especially in

3997
02:25:21,750 --> 02:25:19,920
like

3998
02:25:23,510 --> 02:25:21,760
discussion about this purported

3999
02:25:24,309 --> 02:25:23,520
photograph he says this thing is

4000
02:25:26,790 --> 02:25:24,319
traveling

4001
02:25:28,870 --> 02:25:26,800
you know i guess on a perpendicular

4002
02:25:30,309 --> 02:25:28,880
course passing below them

4003
02:25:32,550 --> 02:25:30,319
and he said it seemed completely

4004
02:25:34,469 --> 02:25:32,560
uninterested or oblivious

4005
02:25:36,150 --> 02:25:34,479
to our presence and he said it

4006
02:25:38,710 --> 02:25:36,160
absolutely reshaped my

4007
02:25:40,550 --> 02:25:38,720
perspective on reality but again when i

4008
02:25:41,990 --> 02:25:40,560
hear stories like that i'm thinking you

4009
02:25:44,550 --> 02:25:42,000
know i mean that might

4010
02:25:45,429 --> 02:25:44,560
that might just give the tic tac a run

4011
02:25:47,590 --> 02:25:45,439
for its money

4012
02:25:49,670 --> 02:25:47,600
so again it being a government siding

4013
02:25:50,790 --> 02:25:49,680
the tic tac in the 2004 nimitz thing i

4014
02:25:52,630 --> 02:25:50,800
understand why people

4015
02:25:55,190 --> 02:25:52,640
find that so fascinating my gosh you

4016
02:25:57,030 --> 02:25:55,200
mean our military professionals our

4017
02:25:59,190 --> 02:25:57,040
government actually is

4018
02:26:01,429 --> 02:25:59,200
you know studying this and they have had

4019
02:26:03,429 --> 02:26:01,439
experiences involving this

4020
02:26:05,670 --> 02:26:03,439
a lot of people have though and again we

4021
02:26:07,750 --> 02:26:05,680
do need to in addition to trying to

4022
02:26:10,230 --> 02:26:07,760
get past revelations we also need to

4023
02:26:12,070 --> 02:26:10,240
recognize the civilian witnesses

4024
02:26:13,670 --> 02:26:12,080
their testimony and the kinds of things

4025
02:26:15,349 --> 02:26:13,680
they described seeing especially in

4026
02:26:15,910 --> 02:26:15,359
circumstances like what andy told me

4027
02:26:18,790 --> 02:26:15,920
about

4028
02:26:20,550 --> 02:26:18,800
that is just as important it's it's just

4029
02:26:22,309 --> 02:26:20,560
as significant and moving toward a

4030
02:26:25,030 --> 02:26:22,319
broader understanding and

4031
02:26:27,429 --> 02:26:25,040
more widespread recognition not only of

4032
02:26:31,030 --> 02:26:27,439
the reality but also the prevalence of

4033
02:26:31,510 --> 02:26:31,040
the phenomenon so uh first off uh before

4034
02:26:34,469 --> 02:26:31,520
we

4035
02:26:36,309 --> 02:26:34,479
uh wind things down uh a great

4036
02:26:37,030 --> 02:26:36,319
conversation tonight and thank you for

4037
02:26:38,790 --> 02:26:37,040
everything

4038
02:26:40,150 --> 02:26:38,800
but what's the future for the debrief

4039
02:26:43,110 --> 02:26:40,160
what are you guys working on

4040
02:26:44,389 --> 02:26:43,120
and and how are you guys getting your

4041
02:26:45,830 --> 02:26:44,399
stories

4042
02:26:47,910 --> 02:26:45,840
well you know i mean we're doing like

4043
02:26:48,230 --> 02:26:47,920
any other journalist does you know we

4044
02:26:51,910 --> 02:26:48,240
are

4045
02:26:53,030 --> 02:26:51,920
reporting on stub you know

4046
02:26:55,270 --> 02:26:53,040
stories and subjects that are

4047
02:26:56,550 --> 02:26:55,280
interesting to us uh we'll also look at

4048
02:26:57,830 --> 02:26:56,560
things that are happening in the media

4049
02:26:59,830 --> 02:26:57,840
for instance you know with this big

4050
02:27:02,309 --> 02:26:59,840
story about the russian hack

4051
02:27:03,429 --> 02:27:02,319
okay that broke over the weekend uh i

4052
02:27:05,349 --> 02:27:03,439
reached out to a

4053
02:27:06,790 --> 02:27:05,359
cyber security expert you know and one

4054
02:27:08,870 --> 02:27:06,800
who has actually been a consultant and

4055
02:27:12,550 --> 02:27:08,880
has appeared on a lot of the the daytime

4056
02:27:14,950 --> 02:27:12,560
news stations and and networks and um

4057
02:27:16,870 --> 02:27:14,960
you know we quoted him and his

4058
02:27:18,070 --> 02:27:16,880
perspectives on how we prevent this from

4059
02:27:19,270 --> 02:27:18,080
happening in the future and this has

4060
02:27:20,710 --> 02:27:19,280
really been something we hope to try and

4061
02:27:22,309 --> 02:27:20,720
do with the debrief

4062
02:27:24,790 --> 02:27:22,319
you know even if we are commenting on

4063
02:27:27,510 --> 02:27:24,800
timely things happening in the news

4064
02:27:29,270 --> 02:27:27,520
you know you heard the news come check

4065
02:27:31,990 --> 02:27:29,280
us out and get the rest of the story

4066
02:27:33,830 --> 02:27:32,000
you know get the analysis get the break

4067
02:27:35,750 --> 02:27:33,840
down get the debrief i mean what an

4068
02:27:37,910 --> 02:27:35,760
actual debrief is is once you come back

4069
02:27:40,630 --> 02:27:37,920
back in off the mission you're debriefed

4070
02:27:42,710 --> 02:27:40,640
right come by stop and have your debrief

4071
02:27:44,230 --> 02:27:42,720
we've got a newsletter that goes out

4072
02:27:45,830 --> 02:27:44,240
every week it's written by yours truly

4073
02:27:47,429 --> 02:27:45,840
it's called the intelligence brief that

4074
02:27:48,790 --> 02:27:47,439
goes out on thursdays and you can sign

4075
02:27:50,950 --> 02:27:48,800
up for that and also just get up

4076
02:27:53,830 --> 02:27:50,960
email updates from us right there at the

4077
02:27:55,429 --> 02:27:53,840
website uh but as far as the ufo stuff

4078
02:27:56,710 --> 02:27:55,439
you know i mean tim mcmillan and i we've

4079
02:27:57,990 --> 02:27:56,720
got some things that we're working on

4080
02:27:59,750 --> 02:27:58,000
together

4081
02:28:01,349 --> 02:27:59,760
all of us are individually working on

4082
02:28:03,429 --> 02:28:01,359
various projects yes there will be

4083
02:28:04,790 --> 02:28:03,439
future ufo reporting i have a few tricks

4084
02:28:06,230 --> 02:28:04,800
up my sleeve as well

4085
02:28:08,230 --> 02:28:06,240
but again we're just trying to raise the

4086
02:28:10,070 --> 02:28:08,240
bar on things that interest us and also

4087
02:28:11,750 --> 02:28:10,080
items that we don't think get enough

4088
02:28:12,389 --> 02:28:11,760
proper coverage in the science tech and

4089
02:28:15,429 --> 02:28:12,399
defense

4090
02:28:17,990 --> 02:28:15,439
uh industry yeah congratulations man uh

4091
02:28:20,790 --> 02:28:18,000
the debrief has spent so much time

4092
02:28:21,510 --> 02:28:20,800
uh over there uh over the last week when

4093
02:28:27,349 --> 02:28:21,520
it was

4094
02:28:28,070 --> 02:28:27,359
when the story broke and and i'm trying

4095
02:28:30,870 --> 02:28:28,080
to get on

4096
02:28:31,750 --> 02:28:30,880
to the to the site i'm trying to and it

4097
02:28:34,469 --> 02:28:31,760
was

4098
02:28:35,830 --> 02:28:34,479
you guys were bombed and and that is

4099
02:28:37,590 --> 02:28:35,840
fantastic

4100
02:28:39,190 --> 02:28:37,600
that's what you want you want to have

4101
02:28:40,870 --> 02:28:39,200
your sight crashing

4102
02:28:42,870 --> 02:28:40,880
because everybody is heading there for

4103
02:28:45,590 --> 02:28:42,880
the news thank you so much mike

4104
02:28:46,389 --> 02:28:45,600
and give my best to tim and mj uh those

4105
02:28:48,630 --> 02:28:46,399
guys are

4106
02:28:49,910 --> 02:28:48,640
absolutely fantastic and and the effort

4107
02:28:52,150 --> 02:28:49,920
is much appreciated

4108
02:28:54,389 --> 02:28:52,160
thank you so much always good to talk

4109
02:28:54,790 --> 02:28:54,399
with you jimmy great to see you and i

4110
02:28:58,550 --> 02:28:54,800
can

4111
02:28:59,990 --> 02:28:58,560
looks great hey what kind of socks do

4112
02:29:02,150 --> 02:29:00,000
you have on

4113
02:29:03,910 --> 02:29:02,160
oh gosh what is it the johnston murphy

4114
02:29:07,830 --> 02:29:03,920
uh skeleton socks i think

4115
02:29:10,230 --> 02:29:07,840
the game day socks as i call them my

4116
02:29:11,750 --> 02:29:10,240
thank you so much mike it behave and all

4117
02:29:12,950 --> 02:29:11,760
my best to your family you guys stay

4118
02:29:15,110 --> 02:29:12,960
safe out there

4119
02:29:16,309 --> 02:29:15,120
take care i want you at 100 next time i

4120
02:29:19,750 --> 02:29:16,319
see you okay

4121
02:29:21,550 --> 02:29:19,760
it'll be soon micah hanks now all of

4122
02:29:23,710 --> 02:29:21,560
micah's links are over at

4123
02:29:25,630 --> 02:29:23,720
jimmychurchradio.com of course

4124
02:29:27,429 --> 02:29:25,640
micahanks.com and

4125
02:29:28,950 --> 02:29:27,439
thedebrief.org i'm your host jimmy

4126
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church i'm going to take a quick break

4127
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and i'll come back and

4128
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open up the phone line stay with me i'll

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4235
02:34:32,150 --> 02:34:30,630
all right welcome back fade to black i'm

4236
02:34:34,590 --> 02:34:32,160
murals timmy church thank you micah

4237
02:34:38,630 --> 02:34:36,870
thedebrief.org you need to go check that

4238
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out it's a great website

4239
02:34:45,510 --> 02:34:42,479
hey mcmillan mj binayas micah hanks

4240
02:34:48,469 --> 02:34:45,520
getting it done over at the debrief

4241
02:34:49,990 --> 02:34:48,479
and uh they've got a lot of uh uh great

4242
02:34:52,790 --> 02:34:50,000
writers over there

4243
02:34:54,230 --> 02:34:52,800
and and i like the direction uh that

4244
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they're taking pretty cool and he's

4245
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4246
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the name uh the debrief is perfect so go

4247
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4248
02:35:10,830 --> 02:35:02,560
thedebrief.org what a great conversation

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4250
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4251
02:35:19,510 --> 02:35:16,479
i will get to uh

4252
02:35:22,550 --> 02:35:19,520
uh the phone calls in just a bit now

4253
02:35:23,990 --> 02:35:22,560
uh here's here's the uh a couple of

4254
02:35:25,510 --> 02:35:24,000
takeaways that i had with the

4255
02:35:29,190 --> 02:35:25,520
conversation tonight and and

4256
02:35:31,510 --> 02:35:29,200
let me just say this um uh

4257
02:35:33,110 --> 02:35:31,520
yeah i am not doing well i'm i'm

4258
02:35:35,910 --> 02:35:33,120
operating at 50

4259
02:35:37,030 --> 02:35:35,920
but when i have a conversation like i do

4260
02:35:40,309 --> 02:35:37,040
with micah i

4261
02:35:42,150 --> 02:35:40,319
am energized and and i got through the

4262
02:35:44,790 --> 02:35:42,160
show tonight

4263
02:35:45,510 --> 02:35:44,800
and i'm looking forward to uh the rest

4264
02:35:48,550 --> 02:35:45,520
of the week

4265
02:35:50,950 --> 02:35:48,560
but what a great conversation and

4266
02:35:52,230 --> 02:35:50,960
micah's take uh going back to the

4267
02:35:56,389 --> 02:35:52,240
photograph

4268
02:35:57,670 --> 02:35:56,399
uh that uh was uh that went far and wide

4269
02:35:59,590 --> 02:35:57,680
last week uh

4270
02:36:01,670 --> 02:35:59,600
uh because of the debrief in tim

4271
02:36:04,950 --> 02:36:01,680
mcmillan and his article

4272
02:36:08,309 --> 02:36:04,960
uh micah micah feels that it's

4273
02:36:11,349 --> 02:36:08,319
it's it's a balloon in the image

4274
02:36:14,950 --> 02:36:11,359
um i i'm not going there

4275
02:36:17,590 --> 02:36:14,960
i i i can't and

4276
02:36:17,990 --> 02:36:17,600
i can't go there because of the altitude

4277
02:36:20,389 --> 02:36:18,000
and

4278
02:36:22,309 --> 02:36:20,399
i can't judge about the size of the

4279
02:36:24,389 --> 02:36:22,319
object there's nothing to triangulate

4280
02:36:25,670 --> 02:36:24,399
there and without the testimony directly

4281
02:36:28,070 --> 02:36:25,680
from the pilot

4282
02:36:30,070 --> 02:36:28,080
uh we may never know the size of the

4283
02:36:34,150 --> 02:36:30,080
object or what he saw in movement

4284
02:36:36,710 --> 02:36:34,160
and things but um from my eyes

4285
02:36:37,990 --> 02:36:36,720
suggests that this object is maybe a

4286
02:36:41,030 --> 02:36:38,000
mile away

4287
02:36:44,309 --> 02:36:41,040
uh it's very hard to to judge

4288
02:36:48,070 --> 02:36:44,319
distances like that but that's what my

4289
02:36:52,870 --> 02:36:48,080
eyes say to me and i'm i'm the one that

4290
02:36:54,469 --> 02:36:52,880
normally goes uh in full skeptic mode

4291
02:36:55,990 --> 02:36:54,479
until there's something else here

4292
02:36:58,070 --> 02:36:56,000
there's another thing

4293
02:36:59,270 --> 02:36:58,080
that we didn't discuss tonight and that

4294
02:37:03,270 --> 02:36:59,280
is in

4295
02:37:05,670 --> 02:37:03,280
the uh security reports

4296
02:37:07,030 --> 02:37:05,680
the two that have been circulated they

4297
02:37:10,150 --> 02:37:07,040
are suggesting it's a

4298
02:37:13,190 --> 02:37:10,160
cube right

4299
02:37:16,830 --> 02:37:13,200
cube and when you look at the

4300
02:37:20,309 --> 02:37:16,840
object i don't see

4301
02:37:23,990 --> 02:37:20,319
cube i so i'm i'm

4302
02:37:26,630 --> 02:37:24,000
i'm thinking that the pilot has

4303
02:37:28,309 --> 02:37:26,640
said something in hit because i i

4304
02:37:31,429 --> 02:37:28,319
believe that he flew around

4305
02:37:31,990 --> 02:37:31,439
the object and and he had another way of

4306
02:37:34,710 --> 02:37:32,000
looking at

4307
02:37:36,150 --> 02:37:34,720
it i don't see cube so what is it that

4308
02:37:38,790 --> 02:37:36,160
the pilot saw

4309
02:37:41,030 --> 02:37:38,800
that's that's another aspect of this uh

4310
02:37:42,950 --> 02:37:41,040
and especially if you go back to

4311
02:37:44,230 --> 02:37:42,960
some of the testimony from the pilots

4312
02:37:48,469 --> 02:37:44,240
and crew members

4313
02:37:49,270 --> 02:37:48,479
um uh from uh the nimitz and roosevelt

4314
02:37:52,469 --> 02:37:49,280
encounters

4315
02:37:53,349 --> 02:37:52,479
that discussed cubes and a cube within a

4316
02:37:56,469 --> 02:37:53,359
cube

4317
02:37:58,790 --> 02:37:56,479
very very interesting so i don't know

4318
02:38:00,469 --> 02:37:58,800
i don't know uh we are going to see what

4319
02:38:04,150 --> 02:38:00,479
we are going to see

4320
02:38:07,270 --> 02:38:04,160
in an object uh that is been captured

4321
02:38:08,070 --> 02:38:07,280
in in an image like this uh very

4322
02:38:11,510 --> 02:38:08,080
interesting i

4323
02:38:14,950 --> 02:38:11,520
i trust micah's opinion uh i really do

4324
02:38:18,309 --> 02:38:14,960
uh but i can't go i can't go

4325
02:38:20,469 --> 02:38:18,319
mylar party balloon uh not yet

4326
02:38:24,630 --> 02:38:20,479
and we need to hear from this pilot with

4327
02:38:26,230 --> 02:38:24,640
that 747-228-2051

4328
02:38:29,429 --> 02:38:26,240
let's go to the phones hi you're live on

4329
02:38:32,550 --> 02:38:29,439
fade to black who's calling

4330
02:38:33,670 --> 02:38:32,560
hi jimmy hi rita hi faders this is ria

4331
02:38:37,910 --> 02:38:33,680
how are you

4332
02:38:39,670 --> 02:38:37,920
right i

4333
02:38:42,790 --> 02:38:39,680
really want to wish everybody a happy

4334
02:38:47,110 --> 02:38:42,800
new moon before the winter solstice

4335
02:38:50,309 --> 02:38:47,120
coming up coming up and also on the 21st

4336
02:38:53,510 --> 02:38:50,319
uh saturn and jupiter i believe

4337
02:38:56,070 --> 02:38:53,520
are going to align yeah

4338
02:38:57,830 --> 02:38:56,080
yeah i was looking at saturn and jupiter

4339
02:39:00,230 --> 02:38:57,840
uh before the show tonight

4340
02:39:01,750 --> 02:39:00,240
and they're getting closer right it's

4341
02:39:03,429 --> 02:39:01,760
it's really weird they're just going to

4342
02:39:04,389 --> 02:39:03,439
continue to do that until they're on top

4343
02:39:07,910 --> 02:39:04,399
of each other

4344
02:39:10,230 --> 02:39:07,920
on the 21st and strange date for that to

4345
02:39:11,349 --> 02:39:10,240
happen on too by the way the 21st of

4346
02:39:13,190 --> 02:39:11,359
december

4347
02:39:15,510 --> 02:39:13,200
so uh there you go things just keep

4348
02:39:19,429 --> 02:39:15,520
aligning mathematically right

4349
02:39:22,309 --> 02:39:19,439
yeah absolutely what's on your mind

4350
02:39:24,389 --> 02:39:22,319
um just to respond to what you were just

4351
02:39:27,590 --> 02:39:24,399
talking about and also

4352
02:39:30,950 --> 02:39:27,600
to plug a hashtag that i put out there

4353
02:39:33,990 --> 02:39:30,960
okay okay yeah

4354
02:39:36,389 --> 02:39:34,000
so i think um

4355
02:39:37,990 --> 02:39:36,399
i think that you know given that the

4356
02:39:40,070 --> 02:39:38,000
monoliths are like an art

4357
02:39:41,510 --> 02:39:40,080
installation you know going along with

4358
02:39:45,030 --> 02:39:41,520
that theory i think

4359
02:39:48,389 --> 02:39:45,040
that it is a spacecraft doing an

4360
02:39:50,950 --> 02:39:48,399
art installation of of

4361
02:39:51,990 --> 02:39:50,960
ironic proportions it's made itself to

4362
02:39:55,349 --> 02:39:52,000
look like

4363
02:39:58,469 --> 02:39:55,359
a big mylar balloon and

4364
02:40:01,990 --> 02:39:58,479
i don't know let's back up for a second

4365
02:40:04,150 --> 02:40:02,000
so the monoliths i i did post

4366
02:40:05,110 --> 02:40:04,160
uh the recent count i think it's about

4367
02:40:07,349 --> 02:40:05,120
50

4368
02:40:09,270 --> 02:40:07,359
have been seen around the world so

4369
02:40:13,190 --> 02:40:09,280
you're you're suggesting that the

4370
02:40:17,830 --> 02:40:13,200
uh that the monoliths are uh

4371
02:40:20,950 --> 02:40:17,840
an alien art exhibit put on for us

4372
02:40:23,349 --> 02:40:20,960
i think it could be just put on with

4373
02:40:24,230 --> 02:40:23,359
technology that we're not dealing with

4374
02:40:27,910 --> 02:40:24,240
on the daily

4375
02:40:31,030 --> 02:40:27,920
and whether it's you know some human

4376
02:40:33,670 --> 02:40:31,040
alien or you know other sort of

4377
02:40:35,349 --> 02:40:33,680
way to put those words together you know

4378
02:40:38,950 --> 02:40:35,359
collaboration

4379
02:40:42,070 --> 02:40:38,960
i sense it um has to do with

4380
02:40:45,429 --> 02:40:42,080
um the changes in the sun

4381
02:40:48,710 --> 02:40:45,439
that are happening and some type of

4382
02:40:50,870 --> 02:40:48,720
stabilization of the planet um

4383
02:40:51,750 --> 02:40:50,880
because i believe that forces are

4384
02:40:54,790 --> 02:40:51,760
benevolent

4385
02:40:57,190 --> 02:40:54,800
and even though we're like

4386
02:40:59,269 --> 02:40:57,200
you know building our sand castles down

4387
02:41:01,190 --> 02:40:59,279
here i think there's something

4388
02:41:02,469 --> 02:41:01,200
beyond us that that we're gonna

4389
02:41:04,950 --> 02:41:02,479
understand soon

4390
02:41:07,269 --> 02:41:04,960
yeah i don't i don't i don't know what

4391
02:41:11,030 --> 02:41:07,279
the sources are for these monoliths

4392
02:41:12,389 --> 02:41:11,040
but i think it's cool and um i i totally

4393
02:41:14,550 --> 02:41:12,399
endorse it

4394
02:41:15,670 --> 02:41:14,560
let's just say it's just so much fun

4395
02:41:17,269 --> 02:41:15,680
yeah yeah it's fine

4396
02:41:18,870 --> 02:41:17,279
let's just say it's just artists from

4397
02:41:20,630 --> 02:41:18,880
around the world building their own

4398
02:41:21,990 --> 02:41:20,640
version of the monolith going out there

4399
02:41:25,349 --> 02:41:22,000
popping it down

4400
02:41:27,190 --> 02:41:25,359
um i i enjoy the conversation even if

4401
02:41:30,150 --> 02:41:27,200
it's something that simple

4402
02:41:32,550 --> 02:41:30,160
right i'm cool yeah and meanwhile

4403
02:41:36,070 --> 02:41:32,560
meanwhile all the yeti druids are just

4404
02:41:37,750 --> 02:41:36,080
like you know doing ceremony at them

4405
02:41:39,590 --> 02:41:37,760
and what's the middle of the night and

4406
02:41:41,830 --> 02:41:39,600
what's wrong with that

4407
02:41:43,110 --> 02:41:41,840
nothing that's beauty yeah yeah i think

4408
02:41:46,389 --> 02:41:43,120
it's totally cool

4409
02:41:46,790 --> 02:41:46,399
um now what did you uh what did you make

4410
02:41:50,309 --> 02:41:46,800
of

4411
02:41:53,510 --> 02:41:50,319
this photograph uh that this f 18

4412
02:41:55,110 --> 02:41:53,520
uh f a 18 pilot took

4413
02:41:56,710 --> 02:41:55,120
uh with this object out of the window

4414
02:41:57,830 --> 02:41:56,720
what do what what are you seeing when

4415
02:42:00,230 --> 02:41:57,840
you look at these images

4416
02:42:00,950 --> 02:42:00,240
or the image i i see something very

4417
02:42:04,469 --> 02:42:00,960
playful

4418
02:42:06,790 --> 02:42:04,479
i see the you know the pilot saying

4419
02:42:08,070 --> 02:42:06,800
something and taking a picture of it and

4420
02:42:11,510 --> 02:42:08,080
that's something

4421
02:42:14,630 --> 02:42:11,520
being something for that

4422
02:42:16,230 --> 02:42:14,640
that being that that the spaceship was

4423
02:42:18,710 --> 02:42:16,240
interacting with the pilot

4424
02:42:19,590 --> 02:42:18,720
taking the picture and so that's what i

4425
02:42:21,670 --> 02:42:19,600
think it has to do

4426
02:42:23,670 --> 02:42:21,680
and i think it was just simply like a

4427
02:42:27,349 --> 02:42:23,680
batman thing

4428
02:42:29,510 --> 02:42:27,359
well yeah batman's a hero right but it's

4429
02:42:30,630 --> 02:42:29,520
ironic that there's a mylar balloon that

4430
02:42:33,990 --> 02:42:30,640
floats up and

4431
02:42:37,510 --> 02:42:34,000
creates garbage right i um

4432
02:42:39,030 --> 02:42:37,520
i i i there's something that i'm very

4433
02:42:42,070 --> 02:42:39,040
conflicted with

4434
02:42:45,990 --> 02:42:42,080
um and that is this

4435
02:42:48,790 --> 02:42:46,000
an f-18 is flying pretty fast

4436
02:42:50,070 --> 02:42:48,800
even if it's flying slow it's flying

4437
02:42:54,389 --> 02:42:50,080
fast

4438
02:42:59,670 --> 02:42:54,399
and at that altitude i find the

4439
02:43:00,630 --> 02:42:59,680
odds of a mylar balloon being at 35 000

4440
02:43:04,469 --> 02:43:00,640
feet

4441
02:43:06,389 --> 02:43:04,479
and a pilot flying that close to it and

4442
02:43:10,870 --> 02:43:06,399
is able to grab his

4443
02:43:13,830 --> 02:43:10,880
camera and photograph a mylar balloon

4444
02:43:14,790 --> 02:43:13,840
i yeah because the stability of the

4445
02:43:17,349 --> 02:43:14,800
image

4446
02:43:17,910 --> 02:43:17,359
would be so difficult to get at that

4447
02:43:20,230 --> 02:43:17,920
speed

4448
02:43:21,030 --> 02:43:20,240
and it's crystal clear the one in a

4449
02:43:24,309 --> 02:43:21,040
squallion

4450
02:43:28,309 --> 02:43:24,319
yeah right right i'm at odds with that

4451
02:43:31,510 --> 02:43:28,319
it just yeah the balloon's too big

4452
02:43:32,469 --> 02:43:31,520
it's too big it's too big to be just a

4453
02:43:35,670 --> 02:43:32,479
balloon

4454
02:43:38,070 --> 02:43:35,680
but i feel like it really is that thing

4455
02:43:40,710 --> 02:43:38,080
like you look at it and you can see

4456
02:43:42,469 --> 02:43:40,720
the batman on it and you know i just

4457
02:43:43,110 --> 02:43:42,479
think what if they're just playing with

4458
02:43:46,389 --> 02:43:43,120
us

4459
02:43:47,190 --> 02:43:46,399
um yeah yeah i don't see you have a

4460
02:43:49,830 --> 02:43:47,200
little fun

4461
02:43:50,309 --> 02:43:49,840
i don't see the batman on it though and

4462
02:43:53,750 --> 02:43:50,319
it may

4463
02:43:57,190 --> 02:43:53,760
look it it just may be

4464
02:44:00,630 --> 02:43:57,200
a mylar batman balloon at 35 000 feet

4465
02:44:01,190 --> 02:44:00,640
okay it just may be a tiny little mylar

4466
02:44:04,230 --> 02:44:01,200
balloon

4467
02:44:07,510 --> 02:44:04,240
very close to the uh aircraft

4468
02:44:11,590 --> 02:44:07,520
so it looks big it just may be that

4469
02:44:14,790 --> 02:44:11,600
if that pilot has switched but

4470
02:44:17,030 --> 02:44:14,800
let's how lucky

4471
02:44:17,990 --> 02:44:17,040
is that pilot to be flying past it at

4472
02:44:21,269 --> 02:44:18,000
300 miles

4473
02:44:23,030 --> 02:44:21,279
an hour right 400 miles an hour and that

4474
02:44:25,349 --> 02:44:23,040
thing isn't a blur

4475
02:44:27,750 --> 02:44:25,359
it's perfectly in focus and he grabs it

4476
02:44:31,190 --> 02:44:27,760
with a cell phone camera

4477
02:44:33,190 --> 02:44:31,200
um right it's that moment where to adam

4478
02:44:35,429 --> 02:44:33,200
you know it's a one and a half look at

4479
02:44:39,110 --> 02:44:35,439
each other in faith

4480
02:44:41,830 --> 02:44:39,120
it's a one in a billion you know but

4481
02:44:43,910 --> 02:44:41,840
let's just say that's what it is okay

4482
02:44:45,269 --> 02:44:43,920
all right we need the pilot to come out

4483
02:44:48,389 --> 02:44:45,279
and say that

4484
02:44:51,590 --> 02:44:48,399
i i would i would uh

4485
02:44:53,910 --> 02:44:51,600
i would i'm just trying to say this in

4486
02:44:56,150 --> 02:44:53,920
the most honest moment in harry potter

4487
02:44:57,990 --> 02:44:56,160
where you think of like something and it

4488
02:45:01,670 --> 02:44:58,000
appears before you

4489
02:45:05,269 --> 02:45:01,680
like where the you know chest

4490
02:45:08,150 --> 02:45:05,279
had stuff in it well how would it

4491
02:45:09,510 --> 02:45:08,160
how would it be that these three letter

4492
02:45:12,790 --> 02:45:09,520
agencies

4493
02:45:15,990 --> 02:45:12,800
are investigating uaps and

4494
02:45:19,429 --> 02:45:16,000
this image comes into their circle

4495
02:45:20,630 --> 02:45:19,439
taken by uh uh an air force pilot navy

4496
02:45:23,990 --> 02:45:20,640
pilot whatever

4497
02:45:27,429 --> 02:45:24,000
and they don't

4498
02:45:28,790 --> 02:45:27,439
dismiss it as a balloon how is it that

4499
02:45:31,670 --> 02:45:28,800
they are taking it

4500
02:45:34,309 --> 02:45:31,680
in another direction what is it that

4501
02:45:36,309 --> 02:45:34,319
this pilot said in his report that

4502
02:45:39,510 --> 02:45:36,319
accompanied that image

4503
02:45:41,830 --> 02:45:39,520
that this wasn't just dismissed how is

4504
02:45:43,670 --> 02:45:41,840
it not just dismissed it's just a mylar

4505
02:45:45,670 --> 02:45:43,680
balloon

4506
02:45:47,830 --> 02:45:45,680
why are they having a conversation about

4507
02:45:49,670 --> 02:45:47,840
it being something else

4508
02:45:51,910 --> 02:45:49,680
that's the problem that i had whether

4509
02:45:53,110 --> 02:45:51,920
they show up on the other registers and

4510
02:45:56,389 --> 02:45:53,120
what what were the other

4511
02:45:58,950 --> 02:45:56,399
gauges saying about this area

4512
02:46:01,030 --> 02:45:58,960
yeah because i am sure that somebody

4513
02:46:04,230 --> 02:46:01,040
contacted the pilot and said okay

4514
02:46:04,790 --> 02:46:04,240
uh what is it that you saw well it was a

4515
02:46:08,950 --> 02:46:04,800
mylar

4516
02:46:12,230 --> 02:46:08,960
it's pretty cool right

4517
02:46:15,590 --> 02:46:12,240
isn't that the end of the story how

4518
02:46:19,590 --> 02:46:15,600
how does it go from mylar balloon

4519
02:46:21,349 --> 02:46:19,600
to uap in a security report yes

4520
02:46:23,190 --> 02:46:21,359
that's all if it's only happening

4521
02:46:23,990 --> 02:46:23,200
because we have a space force then

4522
02:46:26,950 --> 02:46:24,000
that's just

4523
02:46:28,389 --> 02:46:26,960
like that's comedy unfolding we don't

4524
02:46:31,670 --> 02:46:28,399
want to have

4525
02:46:33,670 --> 02:46:31,680
yeah because if we go back to uh

4526
02:46:35,590 --> 02:46:33,680
christopher mellon and i brought this up

4527
02:46:37,910 --> 02:46:35,600
tonight uh with micah

4528
02:46:38,870 --> 02:46:37,920
if we go back to christopher mellon and

4529
02:46:42,309 --> 02:46:38,880
his

4530
02:46:45,990 --> 02:46:42,319
uh flamboyant statement that he made uh

4531
02:46:47,750 --> 02:46:46,000
with the ttsa announcement and uh

4532
02:46:50,070 --> 02:46:47,760
the selling of stock and they do that

4533
02:46:53,110 --> 02:46:50,080
live presentation on the internet

4534
02:46:54,150 --> 02:46:53,120
and and he shows a picture of a mylar

4535
02:46:56,870 --> 02:46:54,160
balloon

4536
02:46:58,469 --> 02:46:56,880
and says what is this is this alien

4537
02:47:01,030 --> 02:46:58,479
technology it's clearly not

4538
02:47:02,710 --> 02:47:01,040
ours you know so what is it and that's

4539
02:47:03,830 --> 02:47:02,720
what ttsa is about we're going to go

4540
02:47:06,870 --> 02:47:03,840
investigate this

4541
02:47:07,190 --> 02:47:06,880
and the point that i made back then is

4542
02:47:10,710 --> 02:47:07,200
who

4543
02:47:11,190 --> 02:47:10,720
are the brainiacs at ttsa that didn't

4544
02:47:13,830 --> 02:47:11,200
know

4545
02:47:15,269 --> 02:47:13,840
that that was a mylar balloon before

4546
02:47:19,110 --> 02:47:15,279
they flashed the image

4547
02:47:20,950 --> 02:47:19,120
across the world uh suggesting that this

4548
02:47:22,150 --> 02:47:20,960
was alien technology

4549
02:47:25,190 --> 02:47:22,160
and that we're going to get to the

4550
02:47:28,309 --> 02:47:25,200
bottom of this who are the brainiacs

4551
02:47:30,309 --> 02:47:28,319
that didn't investigate this image

4552
02:47:33,590 --> 02:47:30,319
before they posted it online

4553
02:47:36,710 --> 02:47:33,600
you can't do that well if that

4554
02:47:39,990 --> 02:47:36,720
is the case with that didn't we

4555
02:47:41,190 --> 02:47:40,000
learn lessons right the ufo community

4556
02:47:43,030 --> 02:47:41,200
does not want to hear about

4557
02:47:44,469 --> 02:47:43,040
uh weather balloons we don't want to

4558
02:47:47,510 --> 02:47:44,479
hear it right and

4559
02:47:50,710 --> 02:47:47,520
and ttsa went and made that mistake

4560
02:47:53,510 --> 02:47:50,720
christopher mellon said that statement

4561
02:47:54,469 --> 02:47:53,520
now here we are in 2020 we've got

4562
02:47:58,309 --> 02:47:54,479
another image

4563
02:48:00,950 --> 02:47:58,319
it's another faat pilot of all things

4564
02:48:03,190 --> 02:48:00,960
like dave fravor was and we've got this

4565
02:48:06,070 --> 02:48:03,200
image and we are looking at it

4566
02:48:07,269 --> 02:48:06,080
isn't the intelligence community uh the

4567
02:48:09,910 --> 02:48:07,279
least bit aware

4568
02:48:10,309 --> 02:48:09,920
of making a mistake like that again and

4569
02:48:13,429 --> 02:48:10,319
this

4570
02:48:17,030 --> 02:48:13,439
leaks out into the public like it did

4571
02:48:19,670 --> 02:48:17,040
is it a mylar balloon or not that's

4572
02:48:20,150 --> 02:48:19,680
we can't keep making these mistakes who

4573
02:48:22,790 --> 02:48:20,160
are the

4574
02:48:24,309 --> 02:48:22,800
intelligence officials investigating

4575
02:48:27,429 --> 02:48:24,319
this stuff that they cannot

4576
02:48:28,070 --> 02:48:27,439
determine if this is a mylar party

4577
02:48:30,790 --> 02:48:28,080
balloon

4578
02:48:32,309 --> 02:48:30,800
like it was originally with chris mellon

4579
02:48:35,830 --> 02:48:32,319
and here we are once again

4580
02:48:39,429 --> 02:48:35,840
in 2020 dealing with the exact same

4581
02:48:39,990 --> 02:48:39,439
subject yeah i mean the word disclosure

4582
02:48:42,150 --> 02:48:40,000
is just

4583
02:48:43,670 --> 02:48:42,160
it's so painfully laughable in our

4584
02:48:47,030 --> 02:48:43,680
community and it's

4585
02:48:50,230 --> 02:48:47,040
it's always like almost there uh

4586
02:48:53,190 --> 02:48:50,240
but the world that i personally live in

4587
02:48:54,950 --> 02:48:53,200
shows that there's no way that there

4588
02:48:57,830 --> 02:48:54,960
that we are alone

4589
02:48:59,349 --> 02:48:57,840
and so and there's so many people that

4590
02:49:03,269 --> 02:48:59,359
are experiencing

4591
02:49:06,790 --> 02:49:03,279
otherness and high strangeness every day

4592
02:49:09,349 --> 02:49:06,800
and um you know it's just the dialogue

4593
02:49:11,110 --> 02:49:09,359
is always just meant to silence

4594
02:49:13,110 --> 02:49:11,120
anything that starts to sound

4595
02:49:16,309 --> 02:49:13,120
potentially real and truthful

4596
02:49:19,750 --> 02:49:16,319
and just to put it off into the

4597
02:49:22,870 --> 02:49:19,760
pseudoscience insane can't quite tell

4598
02:49:26,070 --> 02:49:24,870
and and micah brought up a really good

4599
02:49:30,710 --> 02:49:26,080
point and while i

4600
02:49:33,590 --> 02:49:30,720
have you um let me ask you this where

4601
02:49:34,630 --> 02:49:33,600
micah had said that too many in the ufo

4602
02:49:37,910 --> 02:49:34,640
community

4603
02:49:39,030 --> 02:49:37,920
are depending on an official government

4604
02:49:40,710 --> 02:49:39,040
disclosure

4605
02:49:42,389 --> 02:49:40,720
that that's where it's coming from and

4606
02:49:45,910 --> 02:49:42,399
we're depending on

4607
02:49:49,030 --> 02:49:45,920
washington for this is that dangerous

4608
02:49:51,910 --> 02:49:49,040
should we look uh equally at

4609
02:49:53,990 --> 02:49:51,920
the civilian side and the witnesses and

4610
02:49:55,990 --> 02:49:54,000
the things that we have seen

4611
02:49:59,349 --> 02:49:56,000
when it comes to disclosure and not put

4612
02:50:01,990 --> 02:49:59,359
all our eggs in one basket

4613
02:50:02,870 --> 02:50:02,000
well you know the prime message that

4614
02:50:04,630 --> 02:50:02,880
unfortunately

4615
02:50:07,510 --> 02:50:04,640
both sides of the disclosure

4616
02:50:10,150 --> 02:50:07,520
conversation continue to say

4617
02:50:11,510 --> 02:50:10,160
is that it is dangerous for our

4618
02:50:14,469 --> 02:50:11,520
population

4619
02:50:15,190 --> 02:50:14,479
to understand what's really happening

4620
02:50:18,469 --> 02:50:15,200
and that

4621
02:50:21,030 --> 02:50:18,479
is the most obvious

4622
02:50:21,990 --> 02:50:21,040
response of the deep state and so

4623
02:50:25,110 --> 02:50:22,000
whenever someone

4624
02:50:25,750 --> 02:50:25,120
says you know like that off the cuff oh

4625
02:50:28,070 --> 02:50:25,760
well you know

4626
02:50:28,790 --> 02:50:28,080
it's just like harmful for society to

4627
02:50:32,790 --> 02:50:28,800
know this

4628
02:50:35,990 --> 02:50:32,800
no no no it's harmful for us to not know

4629
02:50:38,790 --> 02:50:36,000
and there are people with stories who

4630
02:50:40,950 --> 02:50:38,800
are in the minority but the stories uh

4631
02:50:44,309 --> 02:50:40,960
repeat throughout history

4632
02:50:45,269 --> 02:50:44,319
and um you know there's beings around us

4633
02:50:48,950 --> 02:50:45,279
we're not alone

4634
02:50:50,150 --> 02:50:48,960
and it's just silly that that it's not

4635
02:50:53,030 --> 02:50:50,160
out in the open

4636
02:50:54,790 --> 02:50:53,040
and it just it just is there this this

4637
02:50:56,230 --> 02:50:54,800
diabolical plot that we've all

4638
02:50:59,590 --> 02:50:56,240
co-created you know

4639
02:51:02,950 --> 02:50:59,600
together do you feel

4640
02:51:06,469 --> 02:51:02,960
that we are right on the edge

4641
02:51:08,070 --> 02:51:06,479
you know of something very big breaking

4642
02:51:10,070 --> 02:51:08,080
whether it comes from the government or

4643
02:51:13,349 --> 02:51:10,080
something else

4644
02:51:15,670 --> 02:51:13,359
uh most assuredly i mean i i

4645
02:51:16,950 --> 02:51:15,680
go back into a journal and in the year

4646
02:51:19,030 --> 02:51:16,960
2012

4647
02:51:20,550 --> 02:51:19,040
someone asked me when disclosure was and

4648
02:51:24,469 --> 02:51:20,560
i had an automatic

4649
02:51:25,269 --> 02:51:24,479
2021 really if it's not if it's not by

4650
02:51:27,910 --> 02:51:25,279
then and then

4651
02:51:28,870 --> 02:51:27,920
it's a problem because there's things

4652
02:51:32,150 --> 02:51:28,880
like um

4653
02:51:33,590 --> 02:51:32,160
you know that

4654
02:51:35,349 --> 02:51:33,600
should be happening right now but

4655
02:51:37,910 --> 02:51:35,359
because of the election stuff

4656
02:51:39,190 --> 02:51:37,920
um it's just the war that's been going

4657
02:51:41,670 --> 02:51:39,200
on that's supposed to turn

4658
02:51:43,510 --> 02:51:41,680
into the fake alien war is turning into

4659
02:51:46,630 --> 02:51:43,520
something else because enough of

4660
02:51:48,389 --> 02:51:46,640
information has gotten out so um

4661
02:51:49,670 --> 02:51:48,399
yeah you might be right there you might

4662
02:51:52,950 --> 02:51:49,680
be right there

4663
02:51:56,230 --> 02:51:52,960
there is uh i i brought up

4664
02:52:00,309 --> 02:51:56,240
that point uh a few months ago in

4665
02:52:02,870 --> 02:52:00,319
that uh if if

4666
02:52:03,750 --> 02:52:02,880
something was going to break right now

4667
02:52:06,790 --> 02:52:03,760
it's going to get

4668
02:52:08,630 --> 02:52:06,800
lost in all of the other drama and

4669
02:52:11,590 --> 02:52:08,640
headlines that are happening

4670
02:52:13,429 --> 02:52:11,600
right and and these these headlines that

4671
02:52:15,510 --> 02:52:13,439
keep getting bigger and bigger every day

4672
02:52:19,030 --> 02:52:15,520
when i said that six months ago

4673
02:52:21,830 --> 02:52:19,040
i said that last year uh two years ago

4674
02:52:23,670 --> 02:52:21,840
where i was bringing up this point that

4675
02:52:26,950 --> 02:52:23,680
how is it possible

4676
02:52:30,230 --> 02:52:26,960
that we can top today's headlines

4677
02:52:34,070 --> 02:52:30,240
tomorrow but i guarantee you

4678
02:52:36,870 --> 02:52:34,080
that it will and these headlines

4679
02:52:37,990 --> 02:52:36,880
of of the last four years five years

4680
02:52:41,269 --> 02:52:38,000
have gotten so

4681
02:52:44,950 --> 02:52:41,279
ginormous that anything

4682
02:52:48,389 --> 02:52:44,960
any news could break important it's not

4683
02:52:50,469 --> 02:52:48,399
going to surface it's going to be hidden

4684
02:52:51,670 --> 02:52:50,479
and even if it does it's going to get

4685
02:52:54,309 --> 02:52:51,680
forgotten

4686
02:52:55,990 --> 02:52:54,319
in a very short news cycle and that

4687
02:52:59,429 --> 02:52:56,000
unfortunately is where we are

4688
02:53:03,269 --> 02:52:59,439
today where it is it's got to be

4689
02:53:05,349 --> 02:53:03,279
big news right it's got to be

4690
02:53:07,110 --> 02:53:05,359
yeah it's got to be big and it's got to

4691
02:53:10,150 --> 02:53:07,120
be about um

4692
02:53:13,510 --> 02:53:10,160
social movement it's got to be about

4693
02:53:16,710 --> 02:53:13,520
people's core values

4694
02:53:17,269 --> 02:53:16,720
um uh personal identification you know

4695
02:53:20,309 --> 02:53:17,279
it really

4696
02:53:24,230 --> 02:53:20,319
you know things have to be on that level

4697
02:53:24,710 --> 02:53:24,240
and people don't want to identify as

4698
02:53:27,030 --> 02:53:24,720
being

4699
02:53:28,150 --> 02:53:27,040
lower on the tatum code than we actually

4700
02:53:29,990 --> 02:53:28,160
are

4701
02:53:33,110 --> 02:53:30,000
and that is also one of the biggest

4702
02:53:36,150 --> 02:53:33,120
fears you know and and i brought up this

4703
02:53:36,630 --> 02:53:36,160
uh i know it's a strange way to look at

4704
02:53:41,030 --> 02:53:36,640
things

4705
02:53:45,429 --> 02:53:41,040
but you just mentioned it and it's this

4706
02:53:48,230 --> 02:53:45,439
if if we find out right if we are told

4707
02:53:49,190 --> 02:53:48,240
by the government we're alone in the

4708
02:53:52,710 --> 02:53:49,200
universe

4709
02:53:55,990 --> 02:53:52,720
we've never made et contact that's it

4710
02:53:59,110 --> 02:53:56,000
that is the truth that is a

4711
02:54:01,910 --> 02:53:59,120
scarier proposition for this planet

4712
02:54:02,950 --> 02:54:01,920
than telling us that we're not alone in

4713
02:54:04,870 --> 02:54:02,960
the universe

4714
02:54:06,710 --> 02:54:04,880
yeah right if we find out that we're

4715
02:54:10,070 --> 02:54:06,720
alone in the universe

4716
02:54:11,429 --> 02:54:10,080
then there's no reason there's no reason

4717
02:54:13,990 --> 02:54:11,439
to be nice to anybody

4718
02:54:14,630 --> 02:54:14,000
there's no reason to be nice to the

4719
02:54:16,309 --> 02:54:14,640
planet

4720
02:54:17,750 --> 02:54:16,319
there isn't any reason to do anything

4721
02:54:21,590 --> 02:54:17,760
let's just party

4722
02:54:24,070 --> 02:54:21,600
to be hopeful for

4723
02:54:25,349 --> 02:54:24,080
if you tell everybody that we have made

4724
02:54:27,110 --> 02:54:25,359
contact and

4725
02:54:29,110 --> 02:54:27,120
and that there's a reason to take care

4726
02:54:30,630 --> 02:54:29,120
of this planet there's a reason for us

4727
02:54:33,510 --> 02:54:30,640
to exist

4728
02:54:34,950 --> 02:54:33,520
that is what the planet needs to hear

4729
02:54:37,110 --> 02:54:34,960
you don't want that dude

4730
02:54:39,030 --> 02:54:37,120
the other the other proposition about us

4731
02:54:41,750 --> 02:54:39,040
being alone in the universe that is much

4732
02:54:45,830 --> 02:54:44,790
yes it is really much scarier and it's

4733
02:54:52,870 --> 02:54:45,840
all

4734
02:54:54,790 --> 02:54:52,880
away from war we're we're in inviting

4735
02:54:57,269 --> 02:54:54,800
peace and we're trying to

4736
02:54:59,110 --> 02:54:57,279
do that in our relationships and then

4737
02:55:02,150 --> 02:54:59,120
all the choices that we make

4738
02:55:04,710 --> 02:55:02,160
to do better and

4739
02:55:06,309 --> 02:55:04,720
you know there's in in the four

4740
02:55:08,389 --> 02:55:06,319
agreements they say there's a poison in

4741
02:55:10,630 --> 02:55:08,399
this world

4742
02:55:13,910 --> 02:55:10,640
well and that's exactly and that's

4743
02:55:18,230 --> 02:55:13,920
exactly something funky going on

4744
02:55:19,750 --> 02:55:18,240
ria thank you for the phone call and uh

4745
02:55:21,429 --> 02:55:19,760
what a great conversation we'll see you

4746
02:55:25,910 --> 02:55:21,439
tomorrow night thanks

4747
02:55:29,349 --> 02:55:25,920
yes i just want to say c-t-u-p

4748
02:55:34,230 --> 02:55:29,359
that is cloaked triangle

4749
02:55:37,750 --> 02:55:34,240
ufo phenomenon c-t-u-p-c-tup

4750
02:55:40,710 --> 02:55:37,760
for those of you who see triangle

4751
02:55:41,910 --> 02:55:40,720
shifts out there that are cloaked tag

4752
02:55:43,910 --> 02:55:41,920
your vids

4753
02:55:45,030 --> 02:55:43,920
love you guys i'll talk to you rhea

4754
02:55:47,510 --> 02:55:45,040
thank you so much

4755
02:55:49,349 --> 02:55:47,520
okay cheers bye that's a great

4756
02:55:52,790 --> 02:55:49,359
conversation right there

4757
02:55:57,030 --> 02:55:52,800
and uh i am very

4758
02:56:01,190 --> 02:55:57,040
look if we're alone in the universe

4759
02:56:03,670 --> 02:56:01,200
if we are truly alone in the universe

4760
02:56:04,870 --> 02:56:03,680
then it's uh it's a 24-hour party over

4761
02:56:07,110 --> 02:56:04,880
in our house

4762
02:56:08,309 --> 02:56:07,120
let's just go let's just light these

4763
02:56:11,429 --> 02:56:08,319
candles

4764
02:56:13,030 --> 02:56:11,439
i'm serious there's just no reason to do

4765
02:56:16,230 --> 02:56:13,040
anything there's no reason

4766
02:56:18,389 --> 02:56:16,240
that's it that's it right um

4767
02:56:19,590 --> 02:56:18,399
we clearly know that that is not the

4768
02:56:22,790 --> 02:56:19,600
case

4769
02:56:25,990 --> 02:56:22,800
and for us to move forward um

4770
02:56:29,030 --> 02:56:26,000
not only as a country but as friends and

4771
02:56:30,550 --> 02:56:29,040
neighbors and as a planet we need to

4772
02:56:34,070 --> 02:56:30,560
know these things

4773
02:56:36,309 --> 02:56:34,080
that's it so we can have a plan

4774
02:56:37,429 --> 02:56:36,319
we know where we're going and there's a

4775
02:56:40,790 --> 02:56:37,439
reason to be

4776
02:56:42,230 --> 02:56:40,800
here and we can move forward right and

4777
02:56:45,429 --> 02:56:42,240
we could forget about

4778
02:56:47,030 --> 02:56:45,439
these borders and this these issues

4779
02:56:48,790 --> 02:56:47,040
and the divisiveness that we have on

4780
02:56:52,309 --> 02:56:48,800
this planet and

4781
02:56:56,469 --> 02:56:52,319
and that's it and that's that's the only

4782
02:56:59,590 --> 02:56:56,479
reason to look at things am i right

4783
02:57:03,110 --> 02:56:59,600
of course i am if we

4784
02:57:05,030 --> 02:57:03,120
if we tomorrow if we tomorrow as a

4785
02:57:08,950 --> 02:57:05,040
planet decided to start

4786
02:57:12,309 --> 02:57:08,960
building uh a starship

4787
02:57:12,950 --> 02:57:12,319
as as a planet to to build and to go

4788
02:57:16,630 --> 02:57:12,960
somewhere

4789
02:57:19,910 --> 02:57:16,640
we have a plan we

4790
02:57:21,590 --> 02:57:19,920
everything would disappear everything on

4791
02:57:24,630 --> 02:57:21,600
this planet would disappear

4792
02:57:27,670 --> 02:57:24,640
i'm serious all right and with that

4793
02:57:30,710 --> 02:57:27,680
tomorrow night uh john burroughs and

4794
02:57:33,830 --> 02:57:30,720
james worrow are going to join us the

4795
02:57:37,030 --> 02:57:33,840
the new book is going to be released on

4796
02:57:38,309 --> 02:57:37,040
wednesday uh december 16th so that goes

4797
02:57:40,790 --> 02:57:38,319
on tomorrow night

4798
02:57:43,990 --> 02:57:40,800
and the new book is called weaponization

4799
02:57:46,630 --> 02:57:44,000
of an unidentified aerial phenomenon

4800
02:57:48,070 --> 02:57:46,640
this is coming out right on the here we

4801
02:57:51,269 --> 02:57:48,080
are december

4802
02:57:52,150 --> 02:57:51,279
of 2020 the 40th anniversary of the

4803
02:57:55,190 --> 02:57:52,160
rendel shim

4804
02:57:56,389 --> 02:57:55,200
forest incident huge night for the show

4805
02:57:57,269 --> 02:57:56,399
tomorrow night you're not going to want

4806
02:57:59,429 --> 02:57:57,279
to miss that

4807
02:58:01,190 --> 02:57:59,439
then of course wednesday night billy

4808
02:58:02,309 --> 02:58:01,200
carson is going to be here discussing

4809
02:58:05,510 --> 02:58:02,319
his new book

4810
02:58:07,910 --> 02:58:05,520
woke doesn't mean broke thursday night

4811
02:58:09,110 --> 02:58:07,920
is another fader night with open lines

4812
02:58:11,030 --> 02:58:09,120
all night long

4813
02:58:14,269 --> 02:58:11,040
what a great conversation tonight

4814
02:58:15,990 --> 02:58:14,279
everybody head over and check out

4815
02:58:18,870 --> 02:58:16,000
thedebri.org

4816
02:58:20,950 --> 02:58:18,880
it's a great website and yeah it seems

4817
02:58:23,830 --> 02:58:20,960
like it came out of nowhere

4818
02:58:26,309 --> 02:58:23,840
but mj tim and micah have got a good

4819
02:58:28,070 --> 02:58:26,319
thing going on so go and check it out

4820
02:58:30,230 --> 02:58:28,080
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4821
02:58:32,950 --> 02:58:30,240
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4822
02:58:34,710 --> 02:58:32,960
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4823
02:58:37,429 --> 02:58:34,720
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4824
02:58:38,150 --> 02:58:37,439
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4825
02:58:42,150 --> 02:58:38,160
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4826
02:58:44,309 --> 02:58:42,160
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4827
02:58:46,110 --> 02:58:44,319
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4828
02:58:47,590 --> 02:58:46,120
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4829
02:58:49,910 --> 02:58:47,600
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4830
02:58:52,070 --> 02:58:49,920
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4831
02:58:53,590 --> 02:58:52,080
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4832
02:58:56,230 --> 02:58:53,600
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4833
02:58:57,830 --> 02:58:56,240
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4834
02:58:58,630 --> 02:58:57,840
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4835
02:59:00,150 --> 02:58:58,640
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4836
02:59:01,670 --> 02:59:00,160
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4837
02:59:03,110 --> 02:59:01,680
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4838
02:59:04,710 --> 02:59:03,120
your host jimmy church

4839
02:59:06,550 --> 02:59:04,720
what a great night tonight we got a

4840
02:59:08,070 --> 02:59:06,560
great week in front of us

4841
02:59:10,710 --> 02:59:08,080
until tomorrow night with john burroughs

4842
02:59:13,269 --> 02:59:10,720
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4843
02:59:29,790 --> 02:59:13,279
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4844
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